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Interpretation of the rules plz
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Author:  Tankfest [ Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:30 pm ]
Post subject:  Interpretation of the rules plz
I assume Nasomi implemented the 6 mobs per party claim limit to dampen anyone person or group who might try to claim a whole zone for whatever reason. We also know that Dynamises are public areas since any group can enter while another is there. Is it SOMEHOW against the rules for people to snipe kill other groups' mobs in dreamworld dynamis? Is this just a risk of AoE blm burns in dynamis that another pt might take the killing blow on the whole group of mobs except the 6 your pt has claimed?
Author:  Dodi [ Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:46 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Interpretation of the rules plz
This is an interesting and somewhat unique case due to the nature of Dynamis farming because yellow mobs are yellow mobs and, like you said, Dynamis is a public area at the moment. The reason Rixx got banned for what he did was because it was a blatant mpk attempt. If he had actually casted a large enough -ga to kill the mobs in question (or at least rip hate with a sleeper at the ready), perhaps that entire situation doesn't go down the same way. He wasn't banned for casting on the mobs, he was banned for intent to mpk.

I've actually fought NM's before with an add that I just had to tolerate until the NM was dead because I knew if I switched targets to kill the add, my audience would happily claim the newly yellow NM. And if they did claim the NM in that manner it would be totally legal and legit. It's just part of the nature of the claim system. AFAIK there is nothing in the Nasomi rules that would allow for Dynamis mobs to be treated any differently. Yellow mobs are fair game and as long as the intent is to kill them and not to mpk, it should be a non-issue (from a rules standpoint- the shitshow that will ensue on the forums if you actually do this will be magical to say the least).
Author:  Tankfest [ Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:55 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Interpretation of the rules plz
Now allow me to give you the long story on why this question is posed:

Last night around 10pm EST, my dynamis group formed in Bubu to enter dynamis. We had 3 blms at point and a thf and rdm in zone walking to the place, and we had 1 group in front of us that were entering dynamis. Suddenly, the zone crashes. When I realize what happened, I log back in immediately and am back at the OP where I spawned into the zone at, and I see a couple of rando blms passing me heading towards the dynamis entrance. When my pt gets back in place on the heiroglyphs, the other pt (made exclusively of DraconicBallad) claims they have next. In say I told them that we were there before it crashed, and we should be next. Then I tried to reason with Dirac, their pt leader as follows:

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Imblaxican was one of the blms in the group that went right before us when the zone crashed, and he clearly acknowledges that we were next.

So besides the fact that we should have been able to go next solo, Bargor, one of our members, strikes a deal with Dirac where we will take ravens, efts, scorps and urgs, and they can have the other 6 pulls and boss. This "split" sits okay with me because we're a relatively beginner group and we can't possibly clear the whole zone yet.

We are pretty slow and wiped on ravens once, but we killed them, then killed efts. THEN we go to scorps, and they are gone... continue to urganites and they are gone. Other group killed everything before we got a chance to kill our share. We find them at the last group of mobs available, crabs. When our brd tries to aoe sleep the crabs, I guess due to the glitch he can't sleep them, so he dies twice, one of our blms die once from an AoE sleep attempt, and their thf dies on the pull and they cry MPK for this when we tried to split the group and take the mobs from them. Knowing we can't actually do crabs, they leave crabs and just go for the boss. My pt warps out, feeling pretty robbed and cheated by DraconicBallad.

Then I gloriously try something suuuuuuper sneaky. I logged out right before they killed the boss and my pt was gone so they'd see no one was in zone, I used invisible on myself to sneak up on them doing crabs, then when their pt weakened the crab pull to ~5%, I thundaga3ed for multiple crab kills and loot, they mopped up the rest of what they had claimed. I got 2 100 pieces from this, and I really want to "split" the zone again with them next time they are in bubu, killing the AoEed mobs they have weakened for me on my dualbox blms. What's the interpretation of the rules on this?

Their DraconicBallad pt consisted of Parzo, Lunalovegood, Sarumon, Dirac, and two other I don't remember.
Author:  Tankfest [ Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:57 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Interpretation of the rules plz
Dirac later claimed our 74 rdm (who had dlvled before dynamis) wasn't a sleeper for us, so we couldn't have had a holding party.
Author:  Kazen [ Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:00 pm ]
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DraconicBuburimu, never change.
Author:  Wolffhardt [ Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:02 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Interpretation of the rules plz
Dynamis is so much fun.

If what you do results in killing someone else, Nasomi is probably going to consider that MPK and you might be hosed. To me, when this comes up, I go with the phrase "play stupid games, win stupid prizes".

Killing a yellow mob isn't against the rules, and that's all there is to it.
Author:  Dodi [ Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:05 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Interpretation of the rules plz
My interpretation of the rules is certainly not binding, but: Yellow mobs are yellow mobs. It's a public zone. People who don't want their pulls ganked should be more polite about standing in line or should learn to pull 6 mobs. Grats on your hundos.
Author:  karem [ Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:06 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Interpretation of the rules plz
INC Timeless Hourglass 500k you can have tis
Author:  Nazgul [ Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:10 pm ]
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It's open to interpretation because its up to the discretion of the GM.

• Any other action that is determined by a GM to cause a disruption in gameplay.

That being said, I agree with Wolf.
Author:  Wolffhardt [ Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:11 pm ]
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karem wrote:
INC Timeless Hourglass 500k you can have tis


the real end game for FFXI is trying to trade your hourglass to get into dynamis bubu to build your 9th relic.
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