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Are we allowed to have low level mules at HNMS?
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Author:  LocalRudeBoy [ Mon Mar 26, 2018 1:12 pm ]
Post subject:  Are we allowed to have low level mules at HNMS?
Hello Friends I am Arrival
As a veteran player who seen a lot of changes, i just wanted to clarify something that ive noticed a while ago. Understanding that low lvl mules arent allowed to be stationed at mini HNMs and HNMs, I'm not sure if those rules have been changed or adjusted since the last time nasomi decided to ban/jail them.
But could some one verifty whether we are allowed to have mules to get ToDs. Here are a few examples or low level mules sitting at HNM camps like Tiamat or Fafnir/Nidhogg.
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Author:  Wolffhardt [ Mon Mar 26, 2018 3:27 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Are we allowed to have low level mules at HNMS?
Was this like an unwritten rule/understanding?

I can certainly see the case for why this wouldn't be allowed, it's just not really in the rules for the server at all... Maybe it's someone newer who didn't see why this was against the rules? I dunno.
Author:  Drink Pepsi [ Mon Mar 26, 2018 3:44 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Are we allowed to have low level mules at HNMS?
It wasn't really an unwritten rule, but rather the actual rules. You can have 3 characters, total. One will be restricted to town. Nas has said publically that the hnm mule counted against the players 2 mains, if they were to level one character, then the second could be a hnm mule, however if they have 2 characters, they couldn't. This is the whole reason for the new accounting system, systematically enforcing the character limits.
Author:  Joselorda [ Mon Mar 26, 2018 3:51 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Are we allowed to have low level mules at HNMS?
From my understanding pretty new to HNM scene any low level characters out at HNMs are against the rules and nasomi has banned the use of them before what makes it different now. Makes it even worse that players are using them to potentially get claim since they believe the claim system isn’t random but picks from lowest level or character age. I guess scumbags will be scumbags hope these issues get resolved.
Author:  Aperture [ Mon Mar 26, 2018 4:30 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Are we allowed to have low level mules at HNMS?
Hi Arrival, welcome.

I agree that it's possibly an issue. I haven't been in DA enough to confirm that the account you're addressing has actually made any claims, but I guess that's besides the point. If they are using it to abuse the claim system, then I agree that this should be looked into. As for a low level account being used to acquire TOD or scout an HNM, I know that many were jailed in the past because entire linkshells had access to them. As far as I know, the account mentioned above is owned solely by one person who does not dualbox, so I don't believe there's anything nefarious about it. It's not like a lvl 40 something THF could hold Tiamat even with perfect dodge (unless you get some lucky blaze spikes over firaga), so the advantage is negligible at best.

As for the double standard of you not mentioning entities in your party doing the same thing... well I guess that's politics.
Author:  Joselorda [ Mon Mar 26, 2018 4:49 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Are we allowed to have low level mules at HNMS?
It was openly admitted by person using the account it was being used for claim purposes based off that Nasomi “random” claim system doesn’t work correctly. Many people have come to conclusion that character age/level is affecting claim which bringing a level 10 mule naked character out to have advantage over other shells is breaking the rules.
Author:  Madcamper [ Mon Mar 26, 2018 5:25 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Are we allowed to have low level mules at HNMS?
I pose this not as a defense or attack to anyone or any group, but as an honest question/idea that might bring some enlightenment to the issue and enhance the Nasomi experience.

Due to Nasomi's implementation of the auto-claim feature on HNMs, if the idea that they pop claimed to lower leveled characters 1-74 is true, would it be plausible to implement a sort of rule or neutral understanding that does not allow any character below level 75 to actively participate in HNM events until claimed?(I.e. stand in the center of participating arena where HNM pops)
Those who are below 75 should remain out of aggro range for said HNM. This way the playing field is strictly even and no single person or group has advantage of any type of claiming capabilities.

I'd like to hear some respectable feedback on this.

Thanks
Author:  LocalRudeBoy [ Mon Mar 26, 2018 5:44 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Are we allowed to have low level mules at HNMS?
Thank you Friends for the input and suggestions, which are highly appreciated.
To be honest my interest has been sparked by the fact of mules being sent to jail a few months back, I wasn't sure whether there was a "written" rule to stop mules at HNM camps in the future.
The rule regarding characters is worded in a simple manner stating "• The use of more than three characters, of which the 3rd will be restricted to city/boat zones only.". This doesnt give us a lot to go by as Aperture mentioned, the said players, could be sitting in Dragon's Aery as a lvl 10 "main" or "alt" character, which doesn't brake this rule at all. Trusting in Nasomi's auto claim system brought about a few issues in the past, where HNMs would spawn unclaimed, due to speculated reasons as "no players being in its line of sight". Today it looks like a new issue of low level players arises. The suggestion Madcamper made regarding non lvl75 players staying out of the "aggro" range or zone until the HNM is claimed, sounds like a great idea which could be improved but I do agree with, maybe less restricting us to a certain lvl like 65, example being lvl65 requirement to enter Dynamis, this could be a more fair rule, since it would be more believable that a lvl 65 is a "main" or "alt" account, especially with the new account link system being introduced. as players would have less reason to bring around a low lvl character unless it was their main, i'm sure surviving certain aoe moves would be a lot more difficult and if they wanted drops for themselves, this would be a method of discouraging them from doing so.

Of course understanding that nasomi is occupied with working on new content and improvements, this will most likely never impact how the server works, although the auto claim system generally shows that nasomi wants us to play fairly. More suggestions and opinions are welcome.
Author:  Aeroo [ Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:09 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Are we allowed to have low level mules at HNMS?
The mobs pop in one of however many locations possible for that particular hnm. They are popping slightly before you actually see them, agroing(as they would anyway) and then the mobs target gets claim on the mob. It's about where it popped, and who it agro'd. Buying into some dumb rumor that these hnms are seeking out the lowest level player to agro upon pop makes you dumb. All hnms will agro level all 75 players. I don't care how many times you think you've seen a lower level character get the claim, you are wrong. You're buying into speculation the same way a dumb ass thief gets mad when you don't let them get the killing blow and now they feel their treasure hunter has been removed somehow. This game is filled to the brim with mystery and unanswered questions. Dummies will try to create answers for those questions. Don't be a dummy.

All that being said, a character is a character, and every character has a chance of claiming. If you bring some character that isn't yours or that you created with the intention of getting claims on hnms, then you're a scumbag. We can all only hope that this new account system is implemented in its entirety soon to get rid of players who choose to go about it that way. Congratulations, you're the reason nasomi has to waste his precious time on this nonsense instead of fixing actual hiccups the server has going on.
Author:  Nabutso [ Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:57 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Are we allowed to have low level mules at HNMS?
As long as this low level character is actually someone's 2nd main character, it should be fine.

In naschat a few months ago, this was brought up and Nas noticed that Sov (I think) had a mule out somewhere and got rid of it, since he knows Sov has 2 real main characters. Sov responded by saying "but I only had 2 characters out" and Nas said "no, 2 characters out of town ever", which it sounds like was a good clarification to this issue.

Here are the logs...

Quote:
Dec 08 19:37:42 sov> Until the claim system is fixed alts will continue to be brought to HNM camps
Dec 08 19:37:48 sov> this is not the first time.
Dec 08 19:37:52 * TKDKid has quit (Quit: I'll be back...)
Dec 08 19:38:11 nasomi> funny
Dec 08 19:38:12 nasomi> that's your alt
Dec 08 19:38:22 sov> yup
Dec 08 19:38:25 Vex> Morinasu, if i had to guess, none of the battlefields work right now
Dec 08 19:38:26 nasomi> tsk tsk
Dec 08 19:38:30 nasomi> 2 characters in the field
Dec 08 19:38:32 * TKDKid ([email protected] ... global.net) has joined
Dec 08 19:38:32 * TKDKid has quit (Quit: I'll be back...)
Dec 08 19:38:41 Vex> my battlefield has me stuck atm
Dec 08 19:38:44 shalashaska> Hi, just to say the 1st telepoint at prom dem still does black screen
Dec 08 19:38:44 Morinasu> i did ZM4 yesterday, it worked fine
Dec 08 19:38:47 sov> 2 chats in the field at a time yup
Dec 08 19:38:52 nasomi> no, not at a time
Dec 08 19:38:54 sov> chars*
Dec 08 19:38:54 nasomi> ever
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Dec 08 19:39:31 sov> when did this rule change?
Dec 08 19:39:32 Chase> Maybe there's an issue since the Maint. Nas?
Dec 08 19:39:34 Boogieman> it didnt
Dec 08 19:39:36 nasomi> never changed
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(also, boogieman is funny)
Mar 12 20:39:48 help> but the rule has still always been 3 total chars
Mar 12 20:39:54 Boogieman> no it hasnt
Mar 12 20:40:03 help> thats what nas has said
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