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| Author: | renala [ Sun Mar 03, 2019 1:11 am ] |
| Post subject: | Sneak and Invis |
Post patch, the timers on all forms of these are wonky. Tonko and Monomi are 1-5mins I think. Items are 1-5mins White magic are 2-6. (Up to the normal 8 with Skulkers) None of these are consistent. All are wonky. I could see items being the random variant, and the upper end on those are a buff but the spells are all nerfed as hell, and we just got monomi finally. Why was this stealth tweaked? |
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| Author: | Dodi [ Sun Mar 03, 2019 1:33 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sneak and Invis |
"additionally; sneak/invis now aren't always maximum duration when casted." This is a direct quote from the first post in the maint. thread. viewtopic.php?f=6&t=9206 |
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| Author: | Tiberon [ Sun Mar 03, 2019 1:49 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sneak and Invis |
The rationale given before with items being hightly variable was that its part of the adventure, You should become friends with a mage or level a mage job. (Source: Nasomi via live stream when asked if items would be adjusted. He said no and gave the above rationale). With the current timers one mage and one melee going through a zone that requires sneak and invis is a chore. One mage and multiple non-sneak/invis enabled people is somewhere between a headache and a nightmare. I've taken to spamming sneak/invis until I get 4min + version, then repeating until I get the same effect on the next character. Otherwise its a constant state of annoyance as sneak wears off on someone and a completely non-threatening crab aggros you. That isnt having an adventure, its apparently having a level 75 job who cant reliably cast a level 20 spell to decent effect. For reference on 15 casts back to back of invisible last night my duration results were: * 6 - 2min (useless) * 3 - 3min (annoying) * 3 - 4min (fine) * 3 - 5min (feels great post patch, was kinda the norm pre-patch) * 0 - 6min (ive heard this happens) Yes its a small sample size - but even if its an equal distribution its still just a time (and mp) waster 50% of the time. Even though this "in era" behavior, I dont think its a change worth having in the game - especially considering that we dont have other in-era transportation features like warps from home nations to whitegate. |
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| Author: | renala [ Sun Mar 03, 2019 1:56 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sneak and Invis |
Dodi wrote: "additionally; sneak/invis now aren't always maximum duration when casted." This is a direct quote from the first post in the maint. thread. viewtopic.php?f=6&t=9206 Geee, thanks. That is super helpful to mention it. Since it was super heavily discussed and not over looked by all the rng whining. Yes, thank you. You are a saint. |
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| Author: | Dodi [ Sun Mar 03, 2019 2:11 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sneak and Invis |
renala wrote: Dodi wrote: "additionally; sneak/invis now aren't always maximum duration when casted." This is a direct quote from the first post in the maint. thread. viewtopic.php?f=6&t=9206 Geee, thanks. That is super helpful to mention it. Since it was super heavily discussed and not over looked by all the rng whining. Yes, thank you. You are a saint. I was just pointing out that it wasn't really stealthy. From what my ls can tell, spell duration seems to be based on enhancing magic skill. |
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| Author: | renala [ Sun Mar 03, 2019 2:12 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sneak and Invis |
Dodi wrote: I was just pointing out that it wasn't really stealthy. From what my ls can tell, spell duration seems to be based on enhancing magic skill. I see. Fair then. And I don't know if thats entirely true, since I see WHM's and RDM's also having the same issues. ---- Not gonna quote tib's stuff for its a block-ish, but I might stand in town and cast a couple hundred Invis and share my findings on duration. Maybe do a thousand but I doubt I'll have the patience to do that and document it. Maybe I'll do half on SMN and half on Blm or something. |
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| Author: | Dodi [ Sun Mar 03, 2019 2:25 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sneak and Invis |
A RDM I know with capped Enhancing said his timers seemed "normal". Just one data point, but we guessed it was just tied to skill now. The Monomi change... beats me. |
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| Author: | Lempo [ Sun Mar 03, 2019 2:51 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sneak and Invis |
im more upset over this change than i am the ranged attack changes! |
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| Author: | Cherry_Bombs [ Sun Mar 03, 2019 3:04 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sneak and Invis |
This fix is just a headache. Nothing more. It's just fucking pointless to fix. Who the fuck cares if it was a bug? It's a quality of life improvement over what it is now. I mean how would anyone think this is a good idea? Think 8 minutes is too long? Fine. Knock it down to 6 minutes max. Knock it down to 5. But making it variable down to where you roll 1 minute casts most of the time? Jesus Christ. |
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| Author: | Azurewrath [ Sun Mar 03, 2019 3:11 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sneak and Invis |
Now it's how it was in 2005 and 2006, it was kinda silly how it was on this server, kind of just made it so you needed a friend or a dual box and you were fine to get through any zone, now it seems very accurate to retail |
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