Yes, but the behemoth hide price is just as arbitrarily set as the KC price. If when you killed KB he dropped 100 of the things then dusk gloves +1 would be significantly cheaper because behemoth hides would be significantly cheaper. The cost of behemoth hides is entirely due to the level of supply, effort involved in getting them, and end utility they provide.

Which is exactly the same as a Kraken Club.

You make more off the HQ due to the additional rarity, time involved in getting a craft to 100, etc. - but this again is primarily based on time spent. You said earlier you can't quantify people's time, but that's fundamentally what it costs to level a craft and to get an HQ item. Nearly everything you use when leveling a craft could be personally farmed, which is a matter of time. If you can't quantify it for KC, then you can't quantify it for behemoth hides, which ultimately means you can't quantify it for Dusk Gloves +1, despite time being one of the two primary drivers of cost in both cases.

It doesn't matter if someone shows up to the OWNM once and kills it in 7 minutes and gets the drop, in the same way it doesn't matter if I show up in the Labyrinth and 5 minutes later LoO pops and I get the autoclaim and drop. Market prices aren't set by individual experiences, they're set by the collective group. Big Macs aren't $100 even if someone who won the lottery with a single ticket buys them, and KCs aren't cheaper even if someone gets lucky, because neither are the rule in aggregate.

I think that’s a fairly large oversimplification of the issue, which I guess is fine on the forums. Either way, someone that got a KC for 15 minutes of work is far less attached and far more likely to take a good, not great, offer than someone who leveled a craft to 100, and then spent the time HQing a T0 synth.

The price is largely dictated by how stubborn the seller is if you’re selling something to such a small audience.

But like I said, I’d prefer not to talk about market economics on a forum where I also play a role in some of the markets. I don’t care that much anymore, but I think trying to compare the two isn’t really right. That’s all.

It doesn't take 15 minutes to get KC. It takes weeks/months doing TC on the clock as it pops to make sure you keep ToD and get claim no matter when that is... When RFK got KC it was at like 4:00AM EST after doing it every single day for over a month, having to use alarms to wake up to kill it and go back to sleep. Unfortunately the split goes out evenly and doesn't take effort into account, so while some people got 10mil in 15 minutes, other's have put in a lot of hours into OWNMs to get the drop.

That's all nice. I basically think most of this is wrong, but I also stopped caring at some point last night.

If I buy 20 behemoth hides to make dusk gloves +1, I've spent 10 mil to do it. There's no equation to figure that out for a KC.

Yes, but the behemoth hide price is just as arbitrarily set as the KC price. If when you killed KB he dropped 100 of the things then dusk gloves +1 would be significantly cheaper because behemoth hides would be significantly cheaper. The cost of behemoth hides is entirely due to the level of supply, effort involved in getting them, and end utility they provide.

Which is exactly the same as a Kraken Club.

You make more off the HQ due to the additional rarity, time involved in getting a craft to 100, etc. - but this again is primarily based on time spent. You said earlier you can't quantify people's time, but that's fundamentally what it costs to level a craft and to get an HQ item. Nearly everything you use when leveling a craft could be personally farmed, which is a matter of time. If you can't quantify it for KC, then you can't quantify it for behemoth hides, which ultimately means you can't quantify it for Dusk Gloves +1, despite time being one of the two primary drivers of cost in both cases.

It doesn't matter if someone shows up to the OWNM once and kills it in 7 minutes and gets the drop, in the same way it doesn't matter if I show up in the Labyrinth and 5 minutes later LoO pops and I get the autoclaim and drop. Market prices aren't set by individual experiences, they're set by the collective group. Big Macs aren't $100 even if someone who won the lottery with a single ticket buys them, and KCs aren't cheaper even if someone gets lucky, because neither are the rule in aggregate.

I think that’s a fairly large oversimplification of the issue, which I guess is fine on the forums. Either way, someone that got a KC for 15 minutes of work is far less attached and far more likely to take a good, not great, offer than someone who leveled a craft to 100, and then spent the time HQing a T0 synth.

The price is largely dictated by how stubborn the seller is if you’re selling something to such a small audience.

But like I said, I’d prefer not to talk about market economics on a forum where I also play a role in some of the markets. I don’t care that much anymore, but I think trying to compare the two isn’t really right. That’s all.

Show me a crafter who sells an HQ for under market value when they go 1/3 on a Tier 0. Time put in means next to nothing. It's about the value you can get for an item. Why would you charge LESS than the amount you know you'll be able to get? I dont understand some of the rationale being thrown around here.

Also, don't have a conversation with Exe about how crafting isn't profitable and you need to charge a lot to break even, it just hurts your argument.