Never used a single hecking BST to do ToAU content, worst job on this server, completly broken. Meanwhile Nas keeps adding buffs to BST gear and nerfing the rest, go figure.

Excuse me sir please don't call me baby, thats very rude ok. No sir i don't have capped gear from years of abusing broken content like kiting znms around with mazurka and 0 macc, or have the glory of having working crafting without busted HQ rates and skillups. So no, you are correct i have not.

You clearly missed my point of mentioning it seems kind of ridiculous for all of TOAU to be locked behind bst/smn. Sure it may be possible to do these fights with a generic larger setup, but why would you when a bst can solo them in 15 minutes.

Just to summarise: My main point is if bst is nerfed then toau should be balanced to give other jobs equal opportunity to access the content people have clearly been abusing for years. Not to mention i'm sure there are plenty of others who are thirsty for the other positives of everything not being 99 in aht urghan.

Ninja, better check yourself before you wreck yourself. I actually came into the hardcore endgame scene about a year ago. I don't have a level 100 craft nor was I around for BLM ToAU. Mazurka is still busted and annoys the shit out of me as a BRD main for 4 years on retail.

You're the one missing MY point, ToAU isn't locked behind BST/SMN unless you're talking about Khim/Cerb(idk about this one even). You can take a standard setup of tank+support+dd+blm and kill almost everything in the expansion.

Edit: As to the reason why? So you can do more than 2-3 fights.

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Deft/Drop

Hey babe,

Are you trying to be argumentative? I'm unsure why this is even being discussed when you have BSTs sat in town doing /shouts selling ZNM gear, and going out there as two BSTs smashing them. Why would I get 12 of the lads together to spend 1 hour (exaggeration... but not for some people) killing a singular tier 1 ZNM when a BST can kill 5 or 6 in 30 mins for me? SMNs have a monopoly on the imperial standing market because they are the only job that can go out there and level freely. They have access to something that everyone should have access to and make a KILLING out of EXP parties.

Sure you can take large groups out there... but why bother? Yeah I'm sure it's simple when you have every item in the game and have 12 relics to throw at them, not everyone has that privilege and things that should be easily accessible to everyone is only EASILY ACCESSIBLE for 2 classes in the game.

ps. Congratulations for joining a LS with capped gear that definitely didn't boost you through any content.

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My man, let me restate my point, ToAU is not locked to BST/SMN only. That's my only point on this topic. Your argument about IS is valid but it's been one that's been around since bat camps were found out, it was just BLMs back then(and could be now, SMN is just more exp/IS). As for the selling of ZNM gear/smashing certain ZNMs, I agree with everything you're saying, it's why I've killed a lot of ZNMs via other methods rather than BST it down everytime. As for why you get 12 people, you know, to actually play the game with others? Is that such a foreign concept to everyone?



I love the misconception that everyone in TopShelf has a relic and gets carried super hard. That's the thing about TS, you wouldn't remain a member very long if you were not pulling your weight. Also should note, I had most everything unlocked access wise and was maxed out in gear across 5 jobs and 2 characters from sky before I was invited to join TS. I didn't even get my first relic until Aeroo and I got our 3rd Kraken Club from the OWNM, which was like ~4 months after I joined iirc. It wasn't until this summer I started doing Dynamis daily to farm for currency.

Again let me state I agree BST is busted and needs fixed.

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Deft/Drop

Okay quoting separate things is a lot more effort than I want to put in to a reply right now so I will just go point by point.

You seem to agree with everything... all three of us have stated that it isn't "locked" behind a BST/SMN... this is great news... looks like we are in full agreement so this has been a pointless waste of all of our time!

Goodjuice's points still stand especially about BLU. Let's do a hypothetical; BST gets tuned (properly) and ToAU stays the same way it is now, BLUs will HAVE to get a group of 12 (to be safe) top blokes to go out to ToAU for fights that will last 20-30 minutes where they are highly likely to die, for no gain whatsoever except for this singular BLU to have the CHANCE of learning a single spell and repeating this. Now does that sound like something anyone should be forced to do? Hell can you find me these top blokes? The content that we currently have needs to be balanced in order for our growing population to flourish. Take Ninja for example (yes I'll used the second biggest dog as an example) he wants to main BLU, he'll get the spells easy because you know... clout. But what about Andy (any Andy) he won't get this help just handed to him, it's hard enough getting 6 people to progress their own characters and do CoP with you. A BLU shouldn't have to schedule 11 other people to come help him learn a spell.

Same thing goes for the comment about BSTs and the ZNMs.. which we agree on.

As for you comment about why you should group up to do content, I dunno if you're catching my drift or not, I'm sure you're understanding what I'm saying and are choosing to be a piece difficult. Yes, the content isn't locked behind the BST/SMN wall but there is no benefit to not taking them with you. For example anytime you watch anyone (except the 'top' LS's on the server) they have alliances out there but they still have BSTs doing all the damage (not mentioning which LS's), this is because of a lack of the gear that others have had access to, be it for various reasons... all named above by GoodJuice.

Not even gonna comment on the Topshelf comments, I have no misconceptions Anders and to be completely honest don't really care how you guys go about things... not meant in a disrespectful way but it really doesn't bother me. I'm not a member so don't care about how you go about relic or KC or what have you. I'm glad you experienced Sky "under geared", for me the game is most enjoyable when you aren't over geared for fights. Maybe we don't derail a thread over talking about Topshelf, because I'm sure if we continue with this line of conversation everyone will want to weigh in.

Ps. BST is busted

Pss. why no bby or Ninja for me?

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For posterity, the reason for that isn't due to Beast Affinity being broken. BSTs prefer Carrie because Homunculus/Amigo/Chucky/Lars don't have their proper retail offensive traits, and Galahad is too costly when Carrie does the PLD-pet thing just as good for cheaper.

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By the way, this is how reward should work in era.

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+1 read. I'm glad this is all coming out now like a billion years too late, but better late than never.

Eat your heart's out BST you know very well that meteor is headed straight your way.