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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2018 3:32 pm 
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AraY wrote:
Kazuki wrote:
No one is stopping any of you from leveling BST or SMN if you wanna get ISP or ZNM stuff. Instead of shedding your you-should-see-a-doctor-about-your dangerously-high-levels-of-sodium tears, find some way to better yourselves. Show us lolBSTs what you're made of and go do the ZNMs with a big group.

Or I guess you can continue to take out the frustration of your inadequacies on pet jobs. Y'know, whatever makes ya feel good.

Here is the problem when you bring up a general grievance, no one wants to admit their job is stupid. Let's not fix what's broken, lets just have everyone level it and we can all be stupidly OP together... great opinion.

Yes, let's keep the job the same, I will unlock it and sit there for 1 week 2 houring every time I can on clockwork and go around one-shotting everything. It seems like some one has to go to an extreme before action is taken here, at what point does familiar stacking become someone exploiting a game mechanic and bannable?

Phat13uddha wrote:
So I don't have Bst leveled past 40ish but I got a question for everyone who wants to "fix" Bst, If all the changes you guys want happen would you take Bsts to do anything?

Say Nas "fixed" BA, "fixed" Familiar stacking, "fixed" reward amounts, "fixed" charming mobs higher level than the Bst, Would any of you take Bst to anything?

And with Bst currently being "broken" do any of you take Bst to anything besides ZNM's? My endgame experience is limited so I really want to know.

Because as I understand if you "fixed" all those things y'all want fixed, without changing the TOAU areas, Bst wouldn't be brought to do any endgame content anymore.


BST is a SOLO/DUO/Low man job.

Why're you putting BROKEN in ""s? Everyone here is on Nasomi for a 'golden age' experience and BST ruins that for a lot of people.

Dakirby wrote:
Since we wan't everything in era, lets get rid of all the food that isn't in era, get rid of sack and satchel. All job abilities that weren't in era, put spells at the lvl they were learned at in era. Give smn back their 2hr. put mob pets back at their regular exp. since that was what it was in era. And I don't mind bst getting nerfed, everyone seems to forget that even in retail bst were still powerful.

On a side note for those who aren't beast. Everyone forgets until they need help that bst have to buy their biscuits, buy their jugs, buy food for player. charm gear, melee gear, reward gear. When you are a melee job such as Sam you buy your gear once, on this server you don't have to repair your gear. And as for those of you who were here before the TH nerf who got your relic before the TH nerf, idk how you can complain when currency was dropping like candy, but now that you have your relic you expect to be the most powerful job on the server


LOL there is a difference between a QoL change and a broken job, I don't mind the food going though... I'd like cream puffs back too.

Is that last paragraph even serious? I'm not even going to bother with it.


Of course I'm serious, why else would I post it. I don't see people buying their weapons over and over again to exp or fight NMs


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2018 3:33 pm 
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Aeroo wrote:
RuAvitau is a dungeon where mazurka doesn't work.


I love this post, it exposes bst IQ


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2018 3:38 pm 
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Dakirby wrote:
AraY wrote:
Kazuki wrote:
No one is stopping any of you from leveling BST or SMN if you wanna get ISP or ZNM stuff. Instead of shedding your you-should-see-a-doctor-about-your dangerously-high-levels-of-sodium tears, find some way to better yourselves. Show us lolBSTs what you're made of and go do the ZNMs with a big group.

Or I guess you can continue to take out the frustration of your inadequacies on pet jobs. Y'know, whatever makes ya feel good.

Here is the problem when you bring up a general grievance, no one wants to admit their job is stupid. Let's not fix what's broken, lets just have everyone level it and we can all be stupidly OP together... great opinion.

Yes, let's keep the job the same, I will unlock it and sit there for 1 week 2 houring every time I can on clockwork and go around one-shotting everything. It seems like some one has to go to an extreme before action is taken here, at what point does familiar stacking become someone exploiting a game mechanic and bannable?

Phat13uddha wrote:
So I don't have Bst leveled past 40ish but I got a question for everyone who wants to "fix" Bst, If all the changes you guys want happen would you take Bsts to do anything?

Say Nas "fixed" BA, "fixed" Familiar stacking, "fixed" reward amounts, "fixed" charming mobs higher level than the Bst, Would any of you take Bst to anything?

And with Bst currently being "broken" do any of you take Bst to anything besides ZNM's? My endgame experience is limited so I really want to know.

Because as I understand if you "fixed" all those things y'all want fixed, without changing the TOAU areas, Bst wouldn't be brought to do any endgame content anymore.


BST is a SOLO/DUO/Low man job.

Why're you putting BROKEN in ""s? Everyone here is on Nasomi for a 'golden age' experience and BST ruins that for a lot of people.

Dakirby wrote:
Since we wan't everything in era, lets get rid of all the food that isn't in era, get rid of sack and satchel. All job abilities that weren't in era, put spells at the lvl they were learned at in era. Give smn back their 2hr. put mob pets back at their regular exp. since that was what it was in era. And I don't mind bst getting nerfed, everyone seems to forget that even in retail bst were still powerful.

On a side note for those who aren't beast. Everyone forgets until they need help that bst have to buy their biscuits, buy their jugs, buy food for player. charm gear, melee gear, reward gear. When you are a melee job such as Sam you buy your gear once, on this server you don't have to repair your gear. And as for those of you who were here before the TH nerf who got your relic before the TH nerf, idk how you can complain when currency was dropping like candy, but now that you have your relic you expect to be the most powerful job on the server


LOL there is a difference between a QoL change and a broken job, I don't mind the food going though... I'd like cream puffs back too.

Is that last paragraph even serious? I'm not even going to bother with it.


Of course I'm serious, why else would I post it. I don't see people buying their weapons over and over again to exp or fight NMs


Most jobs can't use an item that costs 12k for a stack to farm items they can sell for millions of gil that other jobs can't really kill at all, to be fair.

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Kazen wrote:
...TopShelf told Nas to roll back all your ZNM gear, do the gilpocalypse and nerf Fishing/RNG into the ground.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2018 3:42 pm 
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Dakirby wrote:
Of course I'm serious, why else would I post it. I don't see people buying their weapons over and over again to exp or fight NMs

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Goodjuice wrote:
I love this post, it exposes bst IQ

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2018 3:43 pm 
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Wolffhardt wrote:
Dakirby wrote:
AraY wrote:
Here is the problem when you bring up a general grievance, no one wants to admit their job is stupid. Let's not fix what's broken, lets just have everyone level it and we can all be stupidly OP together... great opinion.

Yes, let's keep the job the same, I will unlock it and sit there for 1 week 2 houring every time I can on clockwork and go around one-shotting everything. It seems like some one has to go to an extreme before action is taken here, at what point does familiar stacking become someone exploiting a game mechanic and bannable?



BST is a SOLO/DUO/Low man job.

Why're you putting BROKEN in ""s? Everyone here is on Nasomi for a 'golden age' experience and BST ruins that for a lot of people.



LOL there is a difference between a QoL change and a broken job, I don't mind the food going though... I'd like cream puffs back too.

Is that last paragraph even serious? I'm not even going to bother with it.


Of course I'm serious, why else would I post it. I don't see people buying their weapons over and over again to exp or fight NMs


Most jobs can't use an item that costs 12k for a stack to farm items they can sell for millions of gil that other jobs can't really kill at all, to be fair.


Like Thf killing mobs in Serpants grotto?


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2018 3:45 pm 
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If you're being outfarmed by THF's in SSG as a BST, you're doing it wrong.


edit: deleted my comment. i don't want to help ppl that much figure it out.

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Kazen wrote:
...TopShelf told Nas to roll back all your ZNM gear, do the gilpocalypse and nerf Fishing/RNG into the ground.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2018 3:45 pm 
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Wolffhardt wrote:
Phat13uddha wrote:
Wolffhardt wrote:
No.. They'd go back to being a job that mostly solo's and kills things with other BSTs together... As they were meant to be.


So forgive me I'm not understanding this right but it sounds like you are ok with Bsts killing things just not with other jobs also in the group? So a Group of Bsts can kill Znms and it's ok. But if a Bst kills a Znm for any other job it's wrong?

Or is it you just want Bsts to xp solo/duo/trio and not be able to do anything else at all?


I think putting gear on mobs that you make level 99 because you don't want the area to be functional yet, but for those to be very easily killed because you allow a broken job to continue to exist is a fundamental problem with the server, economy, and gear balance.


Ok so Say Nas takes away all the TOAU boats, and teleports and no one can get to TOAU areas anymore. And Bsts are still the same, do you still feel like they should be changed?

How about if you get all the changes you want to Bst? Would you ever take a Bst to merit/xp with you? Would you ever take one to any endgame?


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2018 3:47 pm 
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I wouldn't take a BST to merit/xp with me as it is now, so that's not really the point.

They'd be welcome to end game as a normal DD. They were allowed for a number of things in era, when it was functioning correctly. They just weren't like they are here.

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...TopShelf told Nas to roll back all your ZNM gear, do the gilpocalypse and nerf Fishing/RNG into the ground.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2018 3:48 pm 
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Wolffhardt wrote:
If you're being outfarmed by THF's in SSG as a BST, you're doing it wrong.


edit: deleted my comment. i don't want to help ppl that much figure it out.


I would love to know what items other bsts are farming to sell for millions of gil. I'm broke.


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Whoever is paying millions of gil for ZNM gear please send swk a pm in game


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