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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:14 pm 
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Aramiltaru wrote:
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Meh.. I don't know about better. It probably depends what you're fighting. If your SMN is able to keep up hastega while also main healing, and you aren't fighting things with a lot of AoE or things that tear through shadows.. I'd agree with you.. Probably need a BRD though, instead of COR, to elegy?

Otherwise, having RDM/WHM and BRD/COR seems like it still is better in some later camps (like flies). I'd certainly be willing to give it a go, just might have trouble keeping up depending on the party comp.


SMN can handle AoE healing easily and hate free. My argument here isn't that SMN + COR/BRD is better than RDM/WHM + COR/BRD, but rather that SMN + 4 DD is better than SMN + RDM/WHM + 3 DD.

Last time I partied on SMN with a WHM they were complaining that they didn't have anything to do with their MP and ended up just spamming Dia II. Replace that with a DD.


Again, you're arguing hypotheticals, I'm stating my experience with several dozen SMN, and its that they're not asked to main heal. I'd be curious if that SMN+COR+4DD PT didnt have a little guy in a dalmatica taking the brunt of the healing load also.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:49 pm 
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Again, you're arguing hypotheticals, I'm stating my :? experience with several dozen SMN, and its that they're not asked to main heal. I'd be curious if that SMN+COR+4DD PT didnt have a little guy in a dalmatica taking the brunt of the healing load also.


Rage damage is no longer enough to warrant a dd spot in a party. My arguments are all about where smn can and should still fit in a strong party composition.

And no, PLs aren't necessary.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 10:01 pm 
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Aramiltaru wrote:
lockecole777 wrote:
Again, you're arguing hypotheticals, I'm stating my :? experience with several dozen SMN, and its that they're not asked to main heal. I'd be curious if that SMN+COR+4DD PT didnt have a little guy in a dalmatica taking the brunt of the healing load also.


Rage damage is no longer enough to warrant a dd spot in a party. My arguments are all about where smn can and should still fit in a strong party composition.

And no, PLs aren't necessary.


I don't think anyone would argue they dont replace the role of a true DD, but typically in a less than optimal party composition the train of thought when thinking of inviting a SMN is that "we'll settle for them to be a subpar DD/haste bot" not that "we'll settle for them to be a main heal/haste bot." Not really arguing that the latter is better or worse, but the initial discussion was the roles at which the current meta is dictating what a SMN should be doing, even if that is a lack of adapting to their lowered BP damage. SMNs are still mostly being invited and using their offensive BPs on CD.


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