* FAQ    * Search
It is currently Mon Jun 23, 2025 10:23 pm

All times are UTC




Post new topic  Reply to topic  [ 55 posts ]  Go to page Previous 1 2 3 4 5 6
Author Message
PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 10:28 am 
Offline

Joined: Fri Nov 30, 2018 5:02 pm
Posts: 17
I was in a linkshell (although finding one was difficult). I did plenty of content. I also don't believe in ONLY doing content with a linkshell. I enjoy meeting new people.

The problem with linkshells on retail right now is that many of the good veteran players are in small LSes and they only play with fellow LSmates, to the point that if they have to choose between pugging and not doing content, they choose to not do content. Then you've got those zerg LSes like the Reddit LS who are like a traffic stoplight - people are constantly coming and going, there's no real community, it's just a bunch of strangers and most of them are soloing. It's more for socializing than actually playing the game together. Then there is the large, large, LARGE amount of players who are just flat out terrible at the game. Sorry, but it's true.

Omen was absolutely mostly card shouts.

Didn't call Vagary junk. All I said was that runs were very uncommon unless there was a campaign.

Not a soloist, I mean half the point of everything I said was that I dislike soloing.

Kazaram implied that some of the missions were difficult and I responded that I soloed all of them. So you'd be disagreeing with him, not me.

Done plenty of VD Ambu on the worst job on the game.

Kind of have to wonder if you actually read anything I wrote, or just saw it as bashing retail (which it was not) and got upset. I didn't even call the retail community toxic, and that's one of the many words you put into my mouth throughout your entire post. Whether you like it or not, I've played my fair share of retail, I've done most of the content in the game. Nothing that I've said is false. You might want to reread both your post and my own and try to figure out what your point really is. Especially since much of what you said agreed with me.

_________________
https://www.change.org/p/official-square-enix-final-fantasy-xi-level-75-era-server


Top
   
PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 5:36 pm 
Offline

Joined: Fri Nov 30, 2018 5:02 pm
Posts: 17
Unless SE tells Twitch themselves that they don't want private servers streamed, they are wasting their time.

Besides, like it's been said before, even private server streams bring attention to retail. Not everyone is OK with playing on a private server, and sometimes people get nostalgic and want to play after viewing a stream, so they go back to retail instead. So they'd literally be hurting themselves by reporting private server streams. That's how insane some of the retail players are these days.

Not to mention none of the FFXI private servers are even offering anything relatively close to a retail experience, so they might as well be reporting streams for completely different games. X_X;

_________________
https://www.change.org/p/official-square-enix-final-fantasy-xi-level-75-era-server


Top
   
PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:36 pm 
Offline

Joined: Tue Nov 22, 2016 1:10 pm
Posts: 41
OmegaFFXI wrote:
Kind of have to wonder if you actually read anything I wrote, or just saw it as bashing retail (which it was not) and got upset. I didn't even call the retail community toxic, and that's one of the many words you put into my mouth throughout your entire post. Whether you like it or not, I've played my fair share of retail, I've done most of the content in the game. Nothing that I've said is false. You might want to reread both your post and my own and try to figure out what your point really is. Especially since much of what you said agreed with me.


Your posts do come across like retail bashing because you fail to make a fair comparison to Nasomi and some of the things you said were quite grossly unreasonable.

You practically did call retail community toxic; I think most people would assume that from your numerous comments e.g shout/yell requirements being "absolutely silly and embarrassing" that you meant this. You said yourself there are a lot of terrible/clueless players and Nasomi is has plenty of those too... The failure to be fair to retail is why I gave my input to your comments.

Soloing retail is also pretty inefficient for someone new to endgame, sure it can be possible for some events but on easy settings the rewards are not nearly as good. I'm not sure why you keep going on about lack of partying/grouping up when that does in fact occur frequently at endgame in retail. Again, these days retail is designed to cater for everyone with it's flexible difficulty settings, the game only assumes that the player will maximise their enjoyment and play the way they like to (and not self-harm as you seem to have done). If you are a self-harmer you won't enjoy it for certain. However I would argue such a person wouldn't enjoy Nasomi either because it's easy to self-harm there too by killing EP-- solo to 75 instead of partying; therefore "I shouldn't have to create my own difficulty" is a bad argument but I guess bias dismisses that argument when Nasomi is in consideration?


Top
   
PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 11:26 pm 
Offline

Joined: Fri Nov 30, 2018 5:02 pm
Posts: 17
How is my comparison not fair? I have experienced all of the content. I know what the community is like, I know what the content is like.

You expect people to make a new character just to experience difficulty in old content on retail right now. That's ridiculous. In games like this people become attached to their characters. People want to play their current character, not a new one. And you call that "self harm." Do you hear yourself? What you are suggesting is laughable. If someone comes back to FFXI today and didn't finish some of the old storylines, and find that doing them now is easy and soloable, they're not going to start a new character just to raise the difficulty of the content and to expect them to is insulting.

The funny part is I haven't even played on Nasomi in a couple of years. Makes it kind of hard to be biased (it's in your head, FYI). I do make sure to keep up with the level 75 private server scene though, whether I'm currently playing it or not.

There's a pretty large difference between toxic, elitist, and ignorant.

Having extreme gear requirements for mid level content is ignorant. There's no reason to have gear requirements for CP parties, Vagary, Omen card runs, T1 or T2 Gaes Fete, Incursions, Delve, or Skirmish. Not understanding what jobs can preform which roles in a party is also ignorant.

Having extreme gear (and job) requirements for newer content is elitist. It's a crappy way to be, but at least a tiny bit more understandable.

Insulting people for the job they play or their lack of equipment is toxic. Racial slurs, calling people autistic (the current fad these days), and being generally negative is toxic.

See the difference?

I didn't say current FFXI has a lack of partying/grouping. I said that MUCH of it has been removed from the game. That means that grouping still does happen. During the 75 era though you spent probably 90% of your play time (less if you count crafting/fishing and such) in parties because you were FORCED to. The game REQUIRED it in nearly every single inch of it. That is no longer the case in current FFXI, and the MAJORITY of the content in the game can be soloed. Majority doesn't mean all. There is still real end-game content that requires groups. And there is mid-end game content like Ambuscade and Skirmish and Delve and T1 Gaes Fete that can be soloed. Yes, it's more efficient to group for that content but the fact remains that soloing is still an option and you're not REQUIRED to group for it.

The only other thing I said about partying was that people are classist, and that people think you need to be geared for easy content. <--- This is implying that grouping is happening but people are being left out for stupid reasons, in case you don't understand.

_________________
https://www.change.org/p/official-square-enix-final-fantasy-xi-level-75-era-server


Top
   
PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:00 am 
Offline

Joined: Thu Aug 16, 2018 11:38 pm
Posts: 216
OmegaFFXI wrote:
Retail can be enjoyable, but if you're like me and hadn't played in a long time and came back, you probably wanted to take the opportunity to finish all of the stories.

So I did, and I soloed all of it, with Trusts. It of course was a complete joke. I was already 99 from Abyssea era and missions fights literally took seconds to beat. If I had to have leveled from 1, I probably would've been even more disappointed, since I would've soloed to 99, with Trusts.

I get the point of Trusts. I even admit that I liked them a lot more than I thought I was going to. But all of the content in the game that was added in the first 11 or so years of its life is completely negated of all difficulty with them. I could always not use Trusts and equip lower level items, but I shouldn't be forced to create my own difficulty (and I'd still be soloing), and I don't play FFXI to solo or force difficulty upon myself. I play FFXI to play with others, and because every inch of the game is difficult in one way or another. Or it used to be.

One of the many things that people are nostalgic for in FFXI is finding or creating a party for missions. When people return to FFXI and find that this is no longer a part of the game, it turns them off. The same with leveling.

Again, I understand the point of Trusts. The game is old, and it's hard to find players who need to level or do missions. Old games are very top heavy in terms of player base. Just about all of those folks have been playing forever, and really only have use for the highest tiers of end-game content. Which brings me to the next problem:

Finding people to do stuff with once you're level 99. Not only is the current FFXI community extremely classist, but they don't even let you join MID-GAME content without being geared. And they've been requiring players to have REMA to join groups for the better part of a decade. It's just silly and embarrassing, considering most of the content in the game doesn't require you to be THAT geared at all. I mean they want you to have REMA for capacity point parties and I just can't even begin to explain to you how absolutely and despicably unnecessary that is.

And since it only takes a day to level from 1-99 now and gear rains from the sky, they expect you to have all of the best jobs leveled and ready to go. I appreciate that FFXI allows us to level multiple classes on the same character, but I prefer the old days when people really only had 1 or 2 jobs leveled. I prefer playing with people who go all out on playing their favorite job to the best of its ability and put tons of effort into getting the right equipment for all of their spells, abilities, and weaponskills. Plus, once we hit that Abyssea era where people literally leveled in their sleep and everyone had all the jobs leveled, it meant that they all wanted to lot on EVERYTHING, even if it was for a job they didn't care about or hardly ever touch.

When you do get CP done and get some equipment for yourself and try to do end-game content, you're quickly introduced to what end-game has been like since Abyssea: spawning a boss over and over and over and over and over. Ambuscade is one of the worst things to ever happen to the game. Escha/Gaes Fete is basically just Abyssea 2.0. There's a few other things to do like Vagary, Omen, and Dynamis D, but Vagary groups are uncommon especially when there's no campaign for it (the campaigns are another crappy mechanic), Omen is more common but only for card runs, and Dynamis D just didn't quite entertain me enough.

All of this is just my opinion, and it doesn't bother me in the slightest if someone thinks I just spoke a bunch of hogwash, nor does it bother me if for all of the reasons I dislike the current FFXI someone else loves it for the same reasons. And for the record, FFXI is cheap so there's really no reason not to try all of the content yourself if you haven't. They also have free login campaigns (I think the recent one might already be over?).

I guess that trusts are at least partially a necessary evil - Here's a thought: With the popularity Nasomi has today I'm pretty sure that in a year or two virtually everyone who's interested in classic FFXI will have at least heard about the server (unless S-E actually set up a retail classic server) so fast forward ~3 years and you have a huge number of players on Nasomi but not a lot of new people joining (pool is pretty much exhausted). Fast forward another ~3 years and it's likely that virtually everyone will have at least a couple of jobs leveled up to 75 and the major focus will be endgame.
Now suppose someone who for some reason missed the whole thing hears about it only then and decides to join - he solos the first 10-15 levels, heads to the dunes, now what? It'd be very difficult to form a party when you're the only "new guy". Maybe you'll get some people who decide to level a 3rd or 4th job but you wouldn't be able to always rely on this. If that happens probably even Nasomi will have to make things a little easier. If generally people are still friendly and welcoming to newcomers then maybe only minor adjustments will be needed, maybe a wider sync rage to people can PL you when you when really needed, but assuming that many people are dicks and don't want to bother with start/mid-game things (and according to what you say about retail I get the impression that that is indeed the case) I can see how you'd have to make more content soloable).
I may be mistaken, actually I hope I am, but let me ask you this - If you start a new character on retail now and level it from 1 while artificially capping yourself to classic mechanics / gear and only receive help from existing LS, will you be able to level it to 75?


Top
   
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic  Reply to topic  [ 55 posts ]  Go to page Previous 1 2 3 4 5 6

All times are UTC


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Google [Bot] and 30 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Limited