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 Post subject: Re: CONTENT?!
PostPosted: Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:41 am 
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I understand it's just a "sneak preview", but please do not lock (certain) ZNMs behind ToAU Kings, that's the absolute stupidest thing to do.

Organized groups (read: Non-Endgame Linkshells) can do ZNMs just fine, so locking those players out of being able to fight them normally by locking it behind content they don't have any business in being or want to be in is stupid.

PW is the only ZNM that should require Endgame Linkshell levels of organization and commitment, but I don't think that should be locked behind needing to camp something else to have a chance to pop/fight either.

I sincerely hope this is just an ACTUAL "sneak preview" and not the final decision.


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 Post subject: Re: CONTENT?!
PostPosted: Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:51 am 
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Even if you could get a pop item for T4 znm, you still can't reach the islands. Unless that requires trading the pop item too?


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 Post subject: Re: CONTENT?!
PostPosted: Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:58 am 
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Content that doesn't work is the sneak peak... getting you prepared!

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 Post subject: Re: CONTENT?!
PostPosted: Fri Nov 01, 2019 2:40 am 
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What other bugs were fixed and nerfs were put into place?


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 Post subject: Re: CONTENT?!
PostPosted: Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:38 am 
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Central wrote:
I understand it's just a "sneak preview", but please do not lock (certain) ZNMs behind ToAU Kings, that's the absolute stupidest thing to do.

Organized groups (read: Non-Endgame Linkshells) can do ZNMs just fine, so locking those players out of being able to fight them normally by locking it behind content they don't have any business in being or want to be in is stupid.

PW is the only ZNM that should require Endgame Linkshell levels of organization and commitment, but I don't think that should be locked behind needing to camp something else to have a chance to pop/fight either.

I sincerely hope this is just an ACTUAL "sneak preview" and not the final decision.


Lololol that's funny shit, be only erm.... TS, YES, RFK, Radiance, HyperNova, and Checkmate ya?

Gonna be awhile before it gets mercd out then good luck!^^

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 Post subject: Re: CONTENT?!
PostPosted: Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:42 am 
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Hopefully theyre crazy overtuned and require an alliance of organized, skilled, and well geared players to defeat. At least in the higher tiers.


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 Post subject: Re: CONTENT?!
PostPosted: Fri Nov 01, 2019 10:18 am 
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Does "ToAU Kings" mean Gulool Ja Ja, Medusa and Gurfurlur or we talking about Khim, Cerb and Hydra?

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 Post subject: Re: CONTENT?!
PostPosted: Fri Nov 01, 2019 11:10 am 
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Central wrote:
I understand it's just a "sneak preview", but please do not lock (certain) ZNMs behind ToAU Kings, that's the absolute stupidest thing to do.

Organized groups (read: Non-Endgame Linkshells) can do ZNMs just fine, so locking those players out of being able to fight them normally by locking it behind content they don't have any business in being or want to be in is stupid.

PW is the only ZNM that should require Endgame Linkshell levels of organization and commitment, but I don't think that should be locked behind needing to camp something else to have a chance to pop/fight either.

I sincerely hope this is just an ACTUAL "sneak preview" and not the final decision.


A group of 6-8 can kill any of the ToAU Kings. Sarameya, Tinnin and Tyger "should" be harder than those. So if you can do T4 ZNM you can get the items as well.

That being said: I'm glad to see some work needed to be put in and this stuff isn't just easy mode to get. Requires some work and I'll still take this style over taking pictures like retail mode for weeks on end.

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 Post subject: Re: CONTENT?!
PostPosted: Fri Nov 01, 2019 11:53 am 
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I think you missed my point, which was to NOT lock it behind something requiring an Endgame Linkshell and having to compete over it. It screws over the players who don't want to be involved in any of that, especially since ZNMs are not and were never something to compete over on retail. It was accessible to all players, provided you do all the pre-requisites.

Because these pre-requisites (the picture taking for zeni) to acquire these pops aren't here, obviously a different method will be introduced, however he's going in the wrong direction by making it inaccessible to all but established Endgame Linkshells with this current method of locking it behind Endgame content.

I'm trying to look at this from all sides (all types of players) and not just one (Endgame). That's why, I'm hoping that all of this better JUST be tentative.

This is the perfect opportunity for him to introduce a legit (and hopefully reasonably priced) gilsink, I hope he doesn't screw it up.

Edit: He can make T1 pops 10K, T2 30K, T3 50K, and T4 100K. This is about 1.1M gil removed to complete a PW popset. He can even adjust the drop rates (again, hopefully to reasonable rates) so that players are needed to do ZNMs multiple times if they want a certain drop = more gil removed from the server = never a bad thing.

PW will also (or at least should be) incredible and extremely difficult to kill, so that's 1.1M gil to keep trial and erroring it until it gets killed consistently. Very similar to farming popsets for Kirin and AV, except you're dumping gil.


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 Post subject: Re: CONTENT?!
PostPosted: Fri Nov 01, 2019 11:55 am 
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Lock it behind lots of gates, make folks work for stuff.

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