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 Post subject: Re: Do you have a PL?
PostPosted: Mon Feb 17, 2020 2:05 pm 
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All technological/social advancements meet resistance. There were sects of people that were opposed to using a written language. Oral traditions bring people together and makes you rely on other humans; whereas anyone can just pick up a book, have zero social interactions, and learn from the knowledge of the past. They thought it would lead to social decay. Maybe they were on to something...


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 Post subject: Re: Do you have a PL?
PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2020 6:03 pm 
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I can see both sides of the issue.. on one hand, there's a certain fun and excitement that comes with having an exp party be a bit on the tougher side, with some risk involved if people screw up and chances at putting up some big e-peen numbers on your WS/etc., and for many people the exp grind itself is a source of much of what's fun for them. I used to thoroughly enjoy the days of DRG THF PLD RDM WHM BLM parties, with the DRG doing first voke to setup SATA on the PLD and then going for massive MBs on Distortion... or doing the same thing with Light/Darkness skillchains later on.

On the other hand, burning through the basement in Crawler's Nest with zero other parties in zone with 3 PLs in a BRD+COR+DDx4 party and earning 30k/hr+ is pretty intoxicating, and the mad rush to plow through crawlers and flies like a hell-bent psychotic exterminator is fun in its own right. Even with competition down there and only a BRD or COR and a leech sync you can push 20k/hr without trying incredibly hard. You can get similar results at other camps in the 50's and higher, too.

For many of us, it really just comes down to time efficiency... With my fairly-limited playtime I'd personally rather not grind THF to 75 at 3-4k exp/hr fighting crabs if I can avoid it. But, if I'm LFP on THF and you send me an invite to a RDM WHM PLD PUP BLU party in Kuftal with no PLs and you need me to pull, heck, I'd probably still take it. Many people won't.

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 Post subject: Re: Do you have a PL?
PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2020 6:22 pm 
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While I don't think people should only party with parties that have a PL.... If I join a PT that has a composition that will only work with a PL, and I ask and they either don't respond or ignore the question.. I'm probably going to skip wasting my time.

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 Post subject: Re: Do you have a PL?
PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2020 7:32 pm 
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XooZQ wrote:
Having a PL beyond Dunes and maybe Qufim is utterly unnecessary, and can lessen the experience for some players. Part of the fun for me is knowing how well we're doing as a group and individuals, which is very hard to tell when someone is soaking up 99% of the threat. Not to mention how boring it is to play WHM or RDM, invited just for -na's, haste and refresh. Bad party is bad PL or no, good party doesn't need one, and good party with PL is just overkill. Obviously, everyone dualboxing left and right leads to spoiling and expectations for 100k EXP/HR OR GTFO. Sure, bring your 75 RDM along, but use them passively and for emergencies. Less work for you and everything works out.


Having a PL for your first 25ish levels IS the problem, IMHO. Not learning job dynamics and roles at an early stage is a killer. Just my two cents.

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 Post subject: Re: Do you have a PL?
PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2020 8:17 pm 
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Obviously a noob to so rudely decline an invite from you.

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 Post subject: Re: Do you have a PL?
PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2020 8:37 pm 
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StarLight wrote:
Obviously a noob to so rudely decline an invite from you.



I also took this as a humblebrag that Maseki would dare invite a rank 2

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 Post subject: Re: Do you have a PL?
PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2020 8:56 pm 
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The only party I'll PL is a dunes party. After that, I tell people I'm only curing myself, if I bring the PL at all. Idc if someone else wants to PL, but I don't find it enjoyable and it's not the reason I am leveling that job.


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 Post subject: Re: Do you have a PL?
PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2020 9:46 pm 
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Starbright wrote:
StarLight wrote:
Obviously a noob to so rudely decline an invite from you.



I also took this as a humblebrag that Maseki would dare invite a rank 2


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 Post subject: Re: Do you have a PL?
PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 1:46 am 
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ffxizol wrote:
Having a PL for your first 25ish levels IS the problem, IMHO. Not learning job dynamics and roles at an early stage is a killer. Just my two cents.


I don't believe learning party dynamics is a thing in 2020.

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 Post subject: Re: Do you have a PL?
PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 2:19 pm 
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XooZQ wrote:
ffxizol wrote:
Having a PL for your first 25ish levels IS the problem, IMHO. Not learning job dynamics and roles at an early stage is a killer. Just my two cents.


I don't believe learning party dynamics is a thing in 2020.


Nah, party dynamics were a thing when people thought you needed a BLM, RDM, WHM, THF, PLD, SAM party.

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