I don't think anyone needs to leave. I think the crowding around and spamming spells, when no one is even close to wiping, is a bit excessive though.

Ignoring the shenanigans with the stupidly placed OWNMs.

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Even simpler fix.... Delete his character and move on with 825 people online, instead of 826.

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Force pops are terrible Idea. Last night was definitely rough with the lag but I def enjoy when shit like that happens brings me back to the retail days of everyone vs your LS. Whoever comes out on top makes it even better. Still not surprised who came out with the kill last night.

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SapaJoee / SapDaddy

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And the LS will just find another goon or another alt to grief on. When one person can make the whole group suffer, you really start to rethink your strategies. You will quickly learn where all this is coming from if the same group is getting a raiding ban every month.

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Kasion

I promise you, when an established person loses years of hard work in 5 seconds... People will think twice about doing it.

you don't find an alt. Accounts are linked now. as for finding more goons, that might be true, it might take about a week before no one ever does it again if you just delete folks that do it.

it also has the luxury of being 100% more feasible than your idea. Nasomi isn't interested in policing what LS's are allowed in what zones for how long. Delete all the characters on an account of someone doing it, and it'll stop relatively immediately.

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Yes, enforce this rule. Ban Tatai again.

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Even griefing on retail didn't get you a ban the first few times you did it (unless you're a repeat offender). Suspend the LS for a week and see how quickly they flush out the goons so people don't leave the LS for another. A whole week of downtime as all the other LS swim in new pixels really does lots of damage to your morale as a group.

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Kasion

It is not always that simple. The zone crashes are usually caused by the less experienced members of linkshells not remembering to disband alliance before warping. These people might be doing it on purpose, they might not.

Likewise, if a veteran player in a veteran linkshell pulls the ownm, then theyll probably get punished. But some of these newer players in these newer linkshells may not even know, or they may just heck up after panicking.

sure - I was talking about folks that stand there and spam spells on them when no one is even remotely close to wiping.

I'd have some leeway in deleting folks that pull an OWNM/warp crash, unless they keep doing it.

Either way, back to the OP, I sincerely hope his fixes are a lot better than force pops. Maybe that'll come out in the eventual Q&A.

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And you're probably right. Project1999 does well with this raid suspension idea because they have more than one GM. And at least FFXI has other more casual options for acquiring end game gear. Every damn end game mob in classic EQ is a total free for all, and they do a pretty ok job and policing the population. But things will only get worse as we reach 1500 people. Force pop the kings or spend your labor time policing people seems to be the only two options.

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Kasion