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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2018 1:55 pm 
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violetnce wrote:
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Tbh I could just make up the numbers and the data wouldn't matter anyway :/

What do you mean by "the data wouldn't matter"? That isn't rhetorical. Seriously what do you mean by that? Do you feel like there isn't data to be collected? That there is no data? That the data is somehow fundamentally flawed?

Or are you just being a lazy whiner?


He's saying that if parses aren't allowed, I could whip up the spreadsheet you're requesting in about 20 minutes and it's just as verifiable.

To Cil's point, sometimes things are so glaringly wrong that the fact that someone has to be "convinced" of them perplexes people. This is one of those times. Macc is orders of magnitude off of where it should be for BLM.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:24 pm 
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To Cil's point, sometimes things are so glaringly wrong that the fact that someone has to be "convinced" of them perplexes people. This is one of those times. Macc is orders of magnitude off of where it should be for BLM.


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Nowhere near end-game levels... or even TAU ready, and have noticed it. And not just on BLM either.

No parsing is needed. All you have to do is pick solo targets on the verge of DC to EM and you will notice something is off. Gets much more pronounced when you cross into the EM+ realm. Pretty much have to make sure you are focusing on elemental weaknesses and targets you KNOW you can successfully bind in a pinch.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:45 pm 
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I have BIS gear, and genuinely get resisted like 50-75% of the time while XP'ing with nuking on weaknesses.

It's embarrassing. The fact that Nabutso has said, for months at this point, just "provide hard data" that Nas fundamentally broke something when he messed with Macc is just depressing. The players shouldn't have to provide hard data to fix a game when something is glaringly broken. There should be pre-patch testing. Any testing that was performed before the macc adjustment would have revealed how horrible it was.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:47 pm 
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I did a magic burst for 6 damage.. a MAGIC BURST. Yes that's off, I don't need exact numbers to say it's way off. Yes it was at level 38 but even with the best INT gear there's no way a magic burst at any level should be doing 6 damage.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:48 pm 
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Magic Burst doesn't guarantee unresisted damage, it increases the magic accuracy and damage.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:52 pm 
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Wolffhardt wrote:
To Cil's point, sometimes things are so glaringly wrong that the fact that someone has to be "convinced" of them perplexes people. This is one of those times. Macc is orders of magnitude off of where it should be for BLM.


I'm not asking to be convinced. I'm telling you to provide at least a shred of real evidence that supports your claim.

"But my feelings" isn't evidence. We don't allow intuition to be taken as fact.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:54 pm 
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Nabutso wrote:
Magic Burst doesn't guarantee unresisted damage, it increases the magic accuracy and damage.



The Effects of a Magic Burst
A magic burst can be performed with any monster-targeted spell as well as with elemental Blood Pacts and Wyvern breaths, and yields a substantial increase in magic accuracy and damage for the spells/abilities that land with the correct timing.

Please read the last sentence and tell me if 6 damage sounds correct. SUBSTANTIAL DAMAGE are key words. :D

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:58 pm 
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Maseki's post demonstrates the mentality that is exactly incorrect. "One time I got a 6" is simply not proof that the damage formula is wrong. @Maseki 's entire post amounts of complaining that one time they got a bad damage roll without providing any substance to improve the situation.

Provide evidence that the damage formula in ToAU was different. Provide evidence to what the damage formula in ToAU actually was. Show how the retail ToAU damage formula differs from Nas' damage formula.

Do those things or go away.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2018 4:06 pm 
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violetnce wrote:
Maseki's post demonstrates the mentality that is exactly incorrect. "One time I got a 6" is simply not proof that the damage formula is wrong. @Maseki 's entire post amounts of complaining that one time they got a bad damage roll without providing any substance to improve the situation.

Provide evidence that the damage formula in ToAU was different. Provide evidence to what the damage formula in ToAU actually was. Show how the retail ToAU damage formula differs from Nas' damage formula.

Do those things or go away.


If you've ever played BLM on retail you'd know doing a magic burst when a mob in essentially fully vulnerable to that element means you do double or more damage than a normal nuke. That's the entire point of setting up an SC.

6 damage is not normal.. I don't care if it's once or 100x. Its evidence that it's broken.

Now onto the actual formula part. If able I'd love to do tests when I'm 75. I'm not concerned about my damage right now but at 75 I surely will be. I don't want to not be able to use zenith hands because the acc is so badly mis-calculated.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2018 4:08 pm 
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I'm not disputing that Nas' damage formula is wrong. I'm challenging your "solution" to the problem, which seems to be just whine to Nasomi and post anecdotes until your numbers go up.

Provide evidence to correct the situation or go away.


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