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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2019 3:59 am 
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Azurewrath wrote:
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You deserve nothing at any time for any reason. Either you get the claim or you don't. The entire basis of the game is competition. You can camp a NM for an hour and 59 minutes and someone else shows up at the last minute and gets the claim and there is nothing wrong with that. You can be as upset as you want but that's the nature of the game. Be prepared to suck it up and move forward or don't bother at all.

Furthermore, no, there is no unfair advantage. You have the exact same option to provide your own dual-box account, free of charge, if you choose. Just because you decided not to or are unable to due to hardware limitations doesn't mean the system is cheating you. It's as open and fair as possible. Adapt or die.


This logic is the exact same as saying "If someone else is hacking/botting, hack/bot back." This isn't the fix to something. The fix is to eliminate the problem at the root.

FFXI was created with the idea that you're a single player. So yes, being two characters is an unfair advantage. And to say that I, too can gain that unfair advantage by doing the same thing is silly. If this was meant to be part of the game, you'd be able to run two characters on the same account simultaneously and be able to switch between them with the touch of a button, but you aren't. You need to run multiple boxes to bypass safeguards put into place by SE to prevent exactly what you're defending.


No, it is not the same thing. Hacking/botting is cheating. Dual-boxing is allowed by Nasomi himself. He has set the rules in place. No more than two accounts out of town at a time. No more than one account allowed to HELM at a time. Nothing more. This is not retail. This is Nasomi. He has come forward and stated that it is okay and until he says otherwise, it's not the same thing. As I said, adapt or die.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2019 4:01 am 
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Oddin wrote:

No, it isn't and whomever told you this is very misinformed...


Somewhere I'm pretty sure I read a line about using a single input device to control two characters is prohibited, in fact, dual boxing is technically prohibited according to the official rules.

"• Controlling two characters at once through any means at all is prohibited."
http://nasomi.com/wiki/index.php?title=New:Rules


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2019 4:01 am 
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99.99999999% of dualboxers are using one PC, and alt-tabbing

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2019 4:02 am 
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That rule outlaws one command controlling both characters. You can’t press 8 one time and both characters step forward.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2019 4:06 am 
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Wolffhardt wrote:
That rule outlaws one command controlling both characters. You can’t press 8 one time and both characters step forward.


I see, I'd like to see the wording on that rule regardless. And also, in the official rules, "• Controlling two characters at once through any means at all is prohibited." should trump that all regardless. There's a reason that rule was written in the first place. I believe certain things weren't in place or weren't enforced due to server population. In the recent Q&A, Nasomi said the field manuals were removed once the population got high enough. The population is now high enough that you don't need to dual box content.

Anyways, nobody's brought up any reason to support dual boxing or point out why being able to claim on multiple characters or PCs vs a player playing the game as intended is fair.

Nobody's attacking your ability to walk around and PL your own character (even though if this is what you want, retail exists), simply someone with 2 characters using them to gain an unfair advantage over someone who's playing the game as it's meant to be played.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2019 4:06 am 
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Azurewrath wrote:
Oddin wrote:

No, it isn't and whomever told you this is very misinformed...


Somewhere I'm pretty sure I read a line about using a single input device to control two characters is prohibited, in fact, dual boxing is technically prohibited according to the official rules.

"• Controlling two characters at once through any means at all is prohibited."
http://nasomi.com/wiki/index.php?title=New:Rules


If you’re alt tabbing, then you’re not controlling them at once.

I’m not sure, but I think if you were to control two characters on two separate computers then that would be illegal. Because you could do things simultaneously.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2019 4:07 am 
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Things explicitly allowed by the person creating the rules is the definition of fair. It’s the simplest response possible.

The only thing I could get behind, and even then I don’t really care because it’s not really unfair, is not allowing alts at auto-claim mobs.

Edit: controlling two characters on two PC’s is allowed... you’d just be an idiot for bothering.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2019 4:17 am 
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Azurewrath wrote:
Anyways, nobody's brought up any reason to support dual boxing or point out why being able to claim on multiple characters or PCs vs a player playing the game as intended is fair.


How about the person who has the two characters took the time and effort to level two characters to a high enough level to claim and kill said mobs therefore they've earned the right to do so. Using your own logic, do they not deserve more claims as a result seeing as they put more effort into the game compared to the person that only leveled a single character? And as long as it's not against the rules and they're not breaking any further rules, then more power to them.

Also, the "playing the game as intended" stuff doesn't hold water here. Again, this isn't retail. This server is built and maintained around Nasomi's vision, not retail. If you want the retail experience, then there's always retail.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2019 4:17 am 
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I know people on retail who 3boxxed everything. I paid for 2 accounts on retail at times so that I could 2box.

You're going to lose this fight based on that alone.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2019 4:19 am 
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Nasomi doesn’t have time to enforce that. It is all too much up to interpretation. The HELM restrictions are much more easily defined and enforced.


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