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Should WHM be made a class again on Nasomi?
Yes 37%  37%  [ 16 ]
No 63%  63%  [ 27 ]
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2019 5:42 am 
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lunaprey wrote:
Just to be clear I am level 8.5 WHM.


Maybe you should invest more time in playing and less time making forum topics. First hand experience is far more valuable than a bunch of different prisms of opinion on subjects you have no bearings on. Just a thought.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2019 5:47 am 
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Literally could be level10 if you didn't know how to operate the forums. Nas also won't ban you for being a bit dense, the community might shun you though.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2019 5:55 am 
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Disclaimer:I never played retail so I don't have a lot of the biases that some of the oldschool players have.

And not to jump on the troll bandwagon, but a lot of what hes saying is true. There isn't much reason to play WHM over RDM. I have a core group I play with practically every time I do something besides EXP parties. I am a RDM and one of our group members is a WHM. We always PT as a 4 man and it seems like WHM just lacks the utility people wanted back in the day. More people have OP warps, so the TP spells aren't super necessary and you can get Dem/Mea/Holla with sub WHM (also worth mentioning that new players can't afford the teleport spells anyway). RDM has Fast Cast AND Refresh to make it an arguably better healer. You can sub WHM to get most of the -na spells and erase. And I know RDM melee is like a meme or w/e, but if you gear for attack, you hit about as hard as a THF or a NIN, which afaik WHM(or any of the other casters) can't even get close to.

I just got RDM to 70. Throughout my journey, I'd say around 30% of my EXP parties had a PL, sometimes two PLs. It only took me about a month or two to realize how strong it is to always have an extra ally on your side with PL/dual box. Suddenly, you always have a THF with Treasure Hunter to help you get that NM drop or another person to watch for a NM time of death to get the timer while your main is leveling or another person to add to your DPS or another person to heal you or raise you in the dunes when your PT sucks, or you can just use your PL to skip partying 1-25 because you always have infinite HP and don't need the mage/tank/healer splitting your XP.

TLDR; The more people that catch on and have the ability to dual box, the less WHM will need to exist. From my perspective, it just seems like a worse RDM. At least throughout my 1-70 journey.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2019 5:59 am 
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OperationFail wrote:
Disclaimer:I never played retail so I don't have a lot of the biases that some of the oldschool players have.

And not to jump on the troll bandwagon, but a lot of what hes saying is true. There isn't much reason to play WHM over RDM. I have a core group I play with practically every time I do something besides EXP parties. I am a RDM and one of our group members is a WHM. We always PT as a 4 man and it seems like WHM just lacks the utility people wanted back in the day. More people have OP warps, so the TP spells aren't super necessary and you can get Dem/Mea/Holla with sub WHM (also worth mentioning that new players can't afford the teleport spells anyway). RDM has Fast Cast AND Refresh to make it an arguably better healer. You can sub WHM to get most of the -na spells and erase. And I know RDM melee is like a meme or w/e, but if you gear for attack, you hit about as hard as a THF or a NIN, which afaik WHM(or any of the other casters) can't even get close to.

I just got RDM to 70. Throughout my journey, I'd say around 30% of my EXP parties had a PL, sometimes two PLs. It only took me about a month or two to realize how strong it is to always have an extra ally on your side with PL/dual box. Suddenly, you always have a THF with Treasure Hunter to help you get that NM drop or another person to watch for a NM time of death to get the timer while your main is leveling or another person to add to your DPS or another person to heal you or raise you in the dunes when your PT sucks, or you can just use your PL to skip partying 1-25 because you always have infinite HP and don't need the mage/tank/healer splitting your XP.

TLDR; The more people that catch on and have the ability to dual box, the less WHM will need to exist. From my perspective, it just seems like a worse RDM. At least throughout my 1-70 journey.


Read: I take WHM into situations where they will not shine expecting them to blind everybody with their power.

WHM/NIN can be a viable DD. WHM in a 4 person PT is basically a wasted spot. WHM shines on the big stuff where Shellra V and Devotion are game changers. Stop perpetuating this myth that WHM is useless and will not get invites, yes RDM is better 41-75 in exp PTs 90% of the time. FFXI is A LOT more than just exp PTs.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2019 6:47 am 
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everything in this game is situational, the "rdm > whm" argument is as old as the game itself

as someone who did pretty much everything on retail as a WHM and never leveled anything else there's a lot of situations where RDM excels, but also a lot of spots where it doesn't

just play the game lol

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2019 7:17 am 
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Nabutso wrote:
I'm convinced now that you are indeed a troll luna.

I got WHM to 75 2 years ago in a month. My first job. WHM has and will always be a real job. There is no difficulty in leveling one up and you are always needed for endgame. Readers, don't let this thread fool you.

Ignore ignorant players like azurewraith who seem to have a grudge against anyone here who is a day older than them, too.

It took you more than a single post to figure that out?

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2019 5:45 pm 
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Not impossible, but sometimes wait awhile for pt, and thenusually just get picked up caus no other healers rdm really seeking. In a strict xp setting can get a little shitty

Have had some really good pt
Have had some terrible pt, the terrible pt would have been bad with rdm too, but lack of refresh and no /nin dd show WHM limitations a lot more than rdm

Also any great pt with WHM would probably be just as good with rdm.


However, when you get to end game and have put some time and effort into the right gear and merits, your doing end game shit while the rest of those rdm only have PL party to look forward to on their alt

Also this as a poll is utterly rediculous


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Funny thing is you don't want RDM or WHM main healing. Swap that hoe out for 2 SMN.

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