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PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2019 10:02 pm 
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Nabutso wrote:
Falynn wrote:
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What is 'everything else'?

It's a buff to the high end and a nerf to the low end. Retail was a nerf to everything but the high end, which didn't get buffed.

Go try it out for yourself instead of freaking out. No one here has actually went and seen what the damage and accuracy differences are yet.


THEY CANT BECAUSE WEAPONSKILLS HAVE A 100% MISS RATE.

You can use more than weaponskills to deal damage, you know. You can go just.. shoot normal ranged attacks, you know that, right? This doesn't just apply to weaponskills.

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It's impossible to make where you stand matter in terms of damage and accuracy and it not be a substantial nerf to RNG.

Unless the distances for MORE damage than before aren't much different than what you have always been doing, of course?

And for the penalty to be quite small, of course.

You know, things no one has bothered to actually test. Instead, we get rabid dogs who prefer to be outraged than to actually discover how it works.


So once we test it and realize that the absolute certainty that distance impacted damage/accuracy is a nerf... you’ll what? Admit you lied? Convince Nas to change it back? Lol

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Nabutso wrote:
Falynn wrote:
Nabutso wrote:
What is 'everything else'?

It's a buff to the high end and a nerf to the low end. Retail was a nerf to everything but the high end, which didn't get buffed.

Go try it out for yourself instead of freaking out. No one here has actually went and seen what the damage and accuracy differences are yet.


THEY CANT BECAUSE WEAPONSKILLS HAVE A 100% MISS RATE.

You can use more than weaponskills to deal damage, you know. You can go just.. shoot normal ranged attacks, you know that, right? This doesn't just apply to weaponskills.

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It's impossible to make where you stand matter in terms of damage and accuracy and it not be a substantial nerf to RNG.

Unless the distances for MORE damage than before aren't much different than what you have always been doing, of course?

And for the penalty to be quite small, of course.

You know, things no one has bothered to actually test. Instead, we get rabid dogs who prefer to be outraged than to actually discover how it works.


I am doing 50% less damage at melee range with ranged attacks.

I am doing 30% less damage at ranges farther than the sweet spot

I am quite sure racc is also nerfed outside of the sweet spot, because I've gone from being racc capped at 60 to missing about 1 in 5 RA outside of the sweet spot.

I am not doing nearly enough additional damage in the sweet spot to make up for melee DPS with a fransisca and hawker's knife, much less the TP gain loss.

Even if I could stand in the sweet spot 100% of the time and never pull threat I would be doing less damage due to the loss of autoattacks and extra TP.

This is a nerf.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2019 10:04 pm 
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We should all fire up our parsers to make our point..

Oh wait.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2019 10:05 pm 
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Nabutso wrote:
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What is 'everything else'?

It's a buff to the high end and a nerf to the low end. Retail was a nerf to everything but the high end, which didn't get buffed.

Go try it out for yourself instead of freaking out. No one here has actually went and seen what the damage and accuracy differences are yet.


Mind if I ask what the reasoning behind the change was? Perhaps if we got a glimpse of Nasomi's reasoning, it may alleviate some people's worry. Right now it seems like a change for the sake of a change. Was RNG, the way it was before this, not acceptable?

Just trying to wrap my head around it.

A bug with weapon delay was discovered that, when fixed, would allow for RNGs to build insane amounts of TP at close range. This is mostly to deter you from meleeing while ranging. But nothing is stopping you from doing so - you still build TP faster while meleeing, and it could still be worth it because of that. People just need to -actually try it out-.

That's the reasoning that I've heard from nas as far as I understand it.

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It is a huge nerf.

Even ignoring WS being broken, OWNMs are now shitty as a Ranger - racc seems to be heavily reduced outside of the sweet spot as well. Any kite fight is going to have the same issue.

It's a major nerf for merit/xp parties, as previously mentioned.

There is nothing positive about this for rangers. Doing a bit more damage at some point where you were barely ever be is not balance.

So you've killed some OWNMs, done merit/exp parties, etc, within the past hour since the maint came out?

I have done some OWNMs since the maintenance. I have not merited, but I don't need to because I know how merit parties work and can easily extrapolate the changes I am seeing on other content.

Weaponskills are also just entirely broken, with 100% miss rate on any ranged WS.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2019 10:06 pm 
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Avellion wrote:
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Just because you buff the high end when you nerf everything else doesn't mean it's not a nerf my friend.

What is 'everything else'?

It's a buff to the high end and a nerf to the low end. Retail was a nerf to everything but the high end, which didn't get buffed.

Go try it out for yourself instead of freaking out. No one here has actually went and seen what the damage and accuracy differences are yet.


Mind if I ask what the reasoning behind the change was? Perhaps if we got a glimpse of Nasomi's reasoning, it may alleviate some people's worry. Right now it seems like a change for the sake of a change. Was RNG, the way it was before this, not acceptable?

Just trying to wrap my head around it.


Probably some stupid line of thinking like they were OP despite being on the lower end of damage dealing jobs in endgame. The only time I could see this argument being relevant is during lower levels before other jobs have access to their better WS and gear options that Ranger gets. Or if the person is uninformed af, which is the most likely option considering he didn't even seem to be aware that OWNMs don't drop rare/ex versions of gear as of a stream or two ago. Also no 75/80 inv items being in-game for over a year despite him being adamant that they were.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2019 10:06 pm 
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Imagine thinking you need to test whether specific distance impacts to achieve the previous level of damage is a nerf or not

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2019 10:09 pm 
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Imagine thinking you need to test whether specific distance impacts to achieve the previous level of damage is a nerf or not

I mean, it's completely obvious Nas didn't do any testing on the Ranger changes, because ranged WS just don't work.

If he had tested any of this shit, he would have noticed.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2019 10:09 pm 
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The only way I can see a true balance to the nerf if enmity was reduced while in the sweet spot. This would balance the problem between positioning, TP Build, damage, threat enmity, and range accuracy. But since enmity is the same, the RNG could pull the mob out of position and causing a lot of trouble. There is ZERO benefit now to be ranger. If you have to move the mob out of the desired position, you will affect any THF Sneak attack or Trick attack. Mobs could be pushed out of position for bards. Cover will break now too right? THIS IS WHAT KILLED RANGER IN RETAIL<<<

Eye balling it, I am doing 50% of my damage outside of the sweet spot. THAT IS HUGE!!!!


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2019 10:09 pm 
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Yesterday: Stand wherever is best depending on the content being done and do max damage

Today: stand in a very specific spot no matter what the content is to do maybe more damage, with a range around that sweetspot to achieve the previous damage being done everywhere


BUT DID YOU TEST IT OR NOT NOOB?

2019 has killed common sense

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2019 10:10 pm 
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I know you arent do 50% less because that isn't the value nas told me. If you're doing 50% less ranged damage, report it as a bug. That should -never, ever, ever- happen.

Unless, of course, you're just misremembering your previous, maximum damage, and are instead using your new, highest, maximum damage, which, as I keep saying, is higher.

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