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PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 7:32 pm 
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Wolffhardt wrote:
Like I said, it's just two groups of assholes being assholes. And that's fine, welcome to Nasomi and all. It's how it works. You're not going to convince me that Dirac's group didn't know they were being assholes, and that agreeing to a split and then just deciding that split is no longer agreed to amongst yourselves isn't an asshole move. Sorry.

Luckily, none of our opinions matter. Most people already consider most of the DB groups that run Dynamis to be assholes, and frankly it doesn't seem to bother them that much. I think that's a fine outlook.

It's okay to just admit that you saw a weak group that dind't know what they were doing and tried to take advantage of the situation. They effed up too. Any rate, best of luck. It seems likely Tankfest will do something dumb enough to get himself banned in the near future, and that most DB dyna groups will continue to be assholes in the future.



Agreed.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 7:32 pm 
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They had a holding party there.. They just didn't decide to have the RDM unnecessarily switch his sub to make a stranger feel more secure about his feelings.


That RDM was not their sleeper. You're missing my point.



No - You're missing mine. The RDM could have been their sleeper.

He wasn't because they had a BRD standing 5 seconds away that they knew would be there when hte zone opened up. You're ignoring the spirit of the holding party agreement.

They could have had the RDM stand there on RDM/BLM and then switch to /COR when the BRD's alt was done in Bubu... but that's a waste of time. So they had the RDM stand there on the sub he'd be using instead.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 7:34 pm 
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Wolffhardt wrote:
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Wolffhardt wrote:
They had a holding party there.. They just didn't decide to have the RDM unnecessarily switch his sub to make a stranger feel more secure about his feelings.


That RDM was not their sleeper. You're missing my point.



No - You're missing mine. The RDM could have been their sleeper.

He wasn't because they had a BRD standing 5 seconds away that they knew would be there when hte zone opened up. You're ignoring the spirit of the holding party agreement.

They could have had the RDM stand there on RDM/BLM and then switch to /COR when the BRD's alt was done in Bubu... but that's a waste of time. So they had the RDM stand there on the sub he'd be using instead.


Our understandings of behaving in good faith with respect to the holding party agreement are clearly different. By your logic it's fine to have a 72 RDM/WAR sitting at the markings because their actual RDM is merely an outpost and a 45 second run away.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 7:34 pm 
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Entry wrote:
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That RDM was not their sleeper. You're missing my point.



No - You're missing mine. The RDM could have been their sleeper.

He wasn't because they had a BRD standing 5 seconds away that they knew would be there when hte zone opened up. You're ignoring the spirit of the holding party agreement.

They could have had the RDM stand there on RDM/BLM and then switch to /COR when the BRD's alt was done in Bubu... but that's a waste of time. So they had the RDM stand there on the sub he'd be using instead.


Our understandings of behaving in good faith with respect to the holding party agreement are clearly different.



Uhhh clearly, since once group backed out of an agreement without telling the other side and then acted shocked when that had ramifications.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 7:35 pm 
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FTFY.



You didn't fix shit. They had a RDM who could be /BLM in less than 30 seconds if he needed to.. Except he didn't need to, because they had someone standing 10 seconds away from them that was going to be joining them as soon as his other character was done in the zone they were waiting for.


I guess the fundamental difference here is that, if I were in a similar situation and my group didn't actually have a holding party there, I would openly admit it and let the group who did, go. I fully expect my people to be at the markings, on the correct job, with their gear. I don't mind mog house visits, but sitting inside Mhaura for 45+ minutes is not sufficient and I would not accept it from my group as holding our place in line. I expect the same from others.


Your personal expectations don't matter and someone not meeting them is not grounds for you to justify douchebag behavior. There are no actual rules regarding Bubu and the 'line' is just longstanding server etiquette. Just own your shit, stop trying to paint it gold.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 7:36 pm 
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Entry wrote:
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That RDM was not their sleeper. You're missing my point.



No - You're missing mine. The RDM could have been their sleeper.

He wasn't because they had a BRD standing 5 seconds away that they knew would be there when hte zone opened up. You're ignoring the spirit of the holding party agreement.

They could have had the RDM stand there on RDM/BLM and then switch to /COR when the BRD's alt was done in Bubu... but that's a waste of time. So they had the RDM stand there on the sub he'd be using instead.


Our understandings of behaving in good faith with respect to the holding party agreement are clearly different. By your logic it's fine to have a 72 RDM/WAR sitting at the markings because their actual RDM is merely an outpost and a 45 second run away.


No I don't think standing 10 yalms away is the same as standing in town and needing to OP and then run down there.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 7:36 pm 
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Wolffhardt wrote:
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No - You're missing mine. The RDM could have been their sleeper.

He wasn't because they had a BRD standing 5 seconds away that they knew would be there when hte zone opened up. You're ignoring the spirit of the holding party agreement.

They could have had the RDM stand there on RDM/BLM and then switch to /COR when the BRD's alt was done in Bubu... but that's a waste of time. So they had the RDM stand there on the sub he'd be using instead.


Our understandings of behaving in good faith with respect to the holding party agreement are clearly different.



Uhhh clearly, since once group backed out of an agreement without telling the other side and then acted shocked when that had ramifications.



Boy, I remember when you jumped onboard the TS Defense Force (TM) train as soon as they were assholes and experienced ramifications. What Tankfest did effectively amounts to MPK, whether by ineptitude or intent. I expect holding parties to be at the markings. You clearly don't. Whatever floats your boat.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 7:37 pm 
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Our understandings of behaving in good faith with respect to the holding party agreement are clearly different.



Uhhh clearly, since once group backed out of an agreement without telling the other side and then acted shocked when that had ramifications.



Boy, I remember when you jumped onboard the TS Defense Force (TM) train as soon as they were assholes and experienced ramifications. What Tankfest did effectively amounts to MPK, whether by ineptitude or intent. I expect holding parties to be at the markings. You clearly don't. Whatever floats your boat.



I don't remember Aeroo and Deft lying to a new group about what they were going to do.


Also, to be clear, I think I said what Tankfest did was MPK from the beginning.. Which is why I said it's two groups being assholes. I don't think ya'll should be banned for being assholes, I'd just prefer ya'll stop pretending it's something else.

I'd be fine with Tankfest being punished for MPK, like I said.


It's not mutually exclusive. It's possible for both groups to be doing dickish things, unfortunately only one group seemed to have done something that was probably against the rules.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 7:40 pm 
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Boy, I remember when you jumped onboard the TS Defense Force (TM) train as soon as they were assholes and experienced ramifications. What Tankfest did effectively amounts to MPK, whether by ineptitude or intent. I expect holding parties to be at the markings. You clearly don't. Whatever floats your boat.


Welcome to the newest member of the DB defense force lol. Since were being idiots now.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 7:42 pm 
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This will be the last thing I say on the matter: If a bubu groups tries to steal our spot in queue, or goes in with us, I will join their party and nuke the low HP unclaimed mobs to AoE kill the mobs for merits and gil. Not griefing, just business, I want merits and gil too. DB already owes me a bit, and tax man intends to collect. Don't fk with the queue no matter how well you think we'll do in there; no one will have a good time if anyone does that. Good day!

So I think them taking pulls they had agreed to give you is a dick move. If it looks like you're not going to have enough time to do all your pulls 'cause you don't really know what you're doing (And it's obvious that you guys don't.) then they could have told you 'hey we're gonna go do this pull" so you know where to go and figure that shit out.

But y'all don't know what you're doing, quite obviously. And not limited to Bubu stuff - you yourself seem to be unaware of partial resists and the fact that elemental seal is not a 100% accuracy buff.

And you're outright saying you're going to continue harassing them.

You guys need a lot more work than just learning the pulls. Go to Qufim. Pay for your THF to get some bubu leeches under his belt so he can watch the pulls. And let this shit go. Because if you're going to be stalking them and harassing them like this, you've got a good chance to end up banned.

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