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PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 6:45 pm 
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Nabutso wrote:
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Any player who leaves for losing an item they shouldn't have, wasn't really here to enjoy classic FFXI in the first place.


Like those relics obtained Nabu?

You have a mystical ability to somehow ignore all previous discussions on a matter and act as if you are starting a new conversation with every post.

i dont think you even know wtf is classic ff11 nab so stfu dont spit out "classic ff11" like u know everything about it


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 6:45 pm 
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Kazen wrote:
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One of the things going for the players against the relic rollback was their numbers. At that point the growth in the server had stagnated pretty heavily and most of the daily players were in end game/relic users. I'd say it was close to 50% of the server, if not more. Compare this to 308 Hachi bodies on, let's take current online numbers, 1338 players. That is only 23% of players if all 308 Hachi bodies were online at once.

Source: Was a noob in my first 3-4 months on Nasomi when it went down.


300+ people with 1300 distinct accounts is not insignificant or small. Just saying.


No but with the constant growth of the server, those 300 people would be back in the form of new players in ~3 months tops. Back at the relic rollback, half the server leaving would've greatly decimated the server economy, crafting and endgame scenes all at the same time.

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People will leave once it actually goes down.


And there's a "new" server for them that even had one of it's GMs/testers here posting for it.

One of the few things I've agreed with Wolffhardt in this thread,

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Leverage matters is the lesson for today


number of players should be irrelevant. You don't do this to a single player.


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 6:46 pm 
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Nathano wrote:
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300+ players have leverage. And considering that 300+ players are at endgame level and the growing base for the endgame community, it would hurt everyone more than help. I want to do True Dyanamis at some point. I want to truely do things that mimic as close as possible as what retail had. But we aren't there yet because we lack the endgame base to really have average endgame shells to do them that style.

So now that we finally got to the underlining difference, I argue that our leverage is higher than you think.


I think you're overestimating your leverage. Do you not see how 150 people out of 300 leaving would gut the server more compared to 308 out of 1338? If not then I can not help you and advise you to seek mathematical assistance.


You are ignoring what happens when word gets out? You think a community would want to come here if the player base is treated poorly and items removed for some but not others because of "leverage"? I don't think you have facts to back up your argument.


Word has been out about the Gilpocalypse and about the TH nerfs for a lot longer than you've been around.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 6:47 pm 
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Kazen wrote:
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I think you're overestimating your leverage. Do you not see how 150 people out of 300 leaving would gut the server more compared to 308 out of 1338? If not then I can not help you and advise you to seek mathematical assistance.


You are ignoring what happens when word gets out? You think a community would want to come here if the player base is treated poorly and items removed for some but not others because of "leverage"? I don't think you have facts to back up your argument.


Word has been out about the Gilpocalypse and about the TH nerfs for a lot longer than you've been around.

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But how about the relic rollback? You cite gilpocalypse, but conveniently forget to mention Relicpocalypse


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 6:48 pm 
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Nabutso wrote:
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You have a mystical ability to somehow ignore all previous discussions on a matter and act as if you are starting a new conversation with every post.


And you think it's ok what Wolf said about leverage? Do you agree?


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 6:49 pm 
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Nabutso wrote:
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You have a mystical ability to somehow ignore all previous discussions on a matter and act as if you are starting a new conversation with every post.

He hecking boomed me. (x4)


Edit: To actually counter your point, Relic Rollback was posted on reddit and is used as a reason one shouldn't play here. Try again.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 6:50 pm 
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The point is this. Nabu can say all he want. But at the end of the day. Wolf's comment says we [the elite endgame community] can get away with what we want with our relics and possibly other issues down the road because we will quit if we don't like it. That shows the biggest issue of it all. And is very heartless and inconsiderate of others in this situation.


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 6:51 pm 
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Nabutso wrote:
Any player who leaves for losing an item they shouldn't have, wasn't really here to enjoy classic FFXI in the first place.


any player who plays on a server where the owner thinks the time you've invested is worthless is a fool.


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We should agree as a community to not read or respond to Nathano ever again. He is not worth acknowledging. Here and now. Ignore him. He’s dumb.

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