Seconded.

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Hachi body isn’t even the ToAU gear I want to keep the most.

BRD feet items are TERRIBLE

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Sapa here is the picture you wanted.

I think removing the PW gear is a good move if he has plans to make the mob retail accurate. You could even make the argument it's more important to address this gear than relic weapons because it would appreciate in value by a higher percentage.

Even some of the people who were vocal about Nas undoing relic rollback at the time of the TH nerf may have reconsidered their position in light of the social imbalance that has become apparent sense then.

Since AV seems to be dragged into these discussions a lot I'd also like to mention that, although I'm not a fan of top shelf, I believe their four AV kills were legitimate.

No mechanics of the mob that would have had any bearing on the difficulty of the fight were ever changed. The lunar cry nerf was canceled by the addition of feint where zerging is concerned. The change to desperate blows cut zerg damage by maybe twenty percent, but that's not the same discussion as a mob becoming a hundred times harder to spawn and ten times harder to kill as would presumably be the case with PW.

Great post!!!!

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SapaJoee / SapDaddy

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Best BRD on Nasomi
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It wasnt for a very short time... lol
"Regardless of the currency, you still needed to get to 75, to get into a Dynamis shell, to have 18 people together to get the other items required for relic that aren't currency. All these things were still required." lol Not like the joke of PW we had we didnt need to get to 75? lol

PW at the beginning was consider hard to pull cus of the lamps and bugs, Brainjak crashing the zone,

You guys seem to miss the point, The excuse of deleting this PW items is that is not fair for new players. Then why not reroll back relics? As it is right now. Is not fair for the new players, I know it was "hard" work previous vets had to spend to get their NOT ezmode relics. But still is not compare to work NEW players have to spend to be able to have just 1 single relic while there are players. Lets not say 10+ relic. But most of those ATLEAST have +3 relics.

I don't see how can you talk about fair game. By erasing PW items. lol

Disclaimer: I alreayd sold 4 Hachi body and do not care about this item getting deleted or not. I do not own a relic.

Wow great photography

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SapaJoee / SapDaddy

Best PLD on Nasomi
Best BRD on Nasomi
TopShelf MVP 2017-2020
Voted Nasomi Server Player of the Century Award
Sackholder in TS

Just erase the thread Nabutso already made his opinion that he doesnt back up not deleting PW items.

Would it be possible for those strongly advocating against this to stop spreading misinformation about what happened in yesteryear and putting newer players off the endgame. From the few conversations I've had about this, a lot of these people don't even have a nuanced view of the situation and are just disheartened and think the game is going to be made harder for them.

Egs:
Some people don't even know that Dynamis is a 24hr lockout, so you can go daily to farm currencies (which some people do) to speed up a relic building compared to "back in the day". But of course this is left of the rant they receive.
With regards to TH, all they hear is it was OP and it benefited the "lol look who got duped relics" target group of the day, again, not being told that it affected all drops. I should know, my farming expeditions take a long longer than they did previously to fill up inventories, a lot longer.
AV from my understanding, the mob itself wasn't bugged, but the job abilities that were used in killing it. This wasn't even known until the mob was killed (I think 4 times), and the the bugs were found out, reported and changed. Please correct me if I'm wrong on this part. If what I understand is true, comparing to an instantly re-popping mob, that can be lowman'd and doesn't require any farming except to pop is a little bit narrow minded.

The thing that bothers me about this most, is that those who object to the proposed action are advocating the creation of a protected class of players. Not only are they advocating for a protected class, they are using their perception of another protected class of players (Which doesn't really exist if one can step outside the argument and examine some context) as the reason they also shouldn't have action taken against them. It all smacks of playground sillyness, if I'm going to picked on those other people have to get picked on too. As if one group suffering isn't enough, it's a pretty poor human being that goes out of their way to try and have someone else punished to make you feel better.

I don't have a relic or PW items that I'm aware of. I do have 2 Turbans, a Cerb Mantle, Fowling earring and maybe a beak necklace and I wouldn't mind if they were removed under the realm of fairness, I'd just buy them again when they are available.

Also, I know this magical number of 308 (?) H bodies has been flying around and used as a statistic to say it's not an insignificant amount of the community agrees with this, completely ignores the number of players who own these items who have spoken in agreement with this. So many times in Naschat yesterday it was, "I speak for the community" or "The community has spoken", to which my reply is you don't speak for the whole community. Which brings me onto the poll, it maybe in some statistical science wikithingymabob somewhere that is a relevant sample size, but it doesn't really represent most of the people who don't give shit and were busy enjoy ToAU missions and new areas ignoring for the most part forum drama.