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 Post subject: Re: Some of you..
PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:44 pm 
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Wolffhardt wrote:
Louiscool wrote:
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It was broken for over a year and a half. Ammo just didn't count as TP at all. What a silly bug.


I believe everything that is broken should be fixed, so you're talking to the wrong guy when you do stupid thought experiments of like, "If you're going to fix this, then you have to fix this!!!!!" ---- I agree. Get on it. You didn't "catch" me. Fix it all.



I believe you're still confused on the state of RNG.

You keep quoting me with previous posts.... with things that I still believe and apply to this situation.


RNG was fundamentally broken, and significantly more powerful than they were at the time that the game is aiming to replicate. Sorry if that fact upsets you, but that's the case and is why people would like it fixed.


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 Post subject: Re: Some of you..
PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:45 pm 
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Dodi wrote:
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Mark my words- in one month most ppl won't be complaining anymore and Ranger will still be used about the same amount and to about the same effect. Same shit happened with SMN and look how that nerf turned out...



SMN is pretty fucking horrible now, relatively speaking.


Relative to what- When it was totally broken? Currently it's one of the most useful and flexible jobs for endgame. I'm not really sure what your argument is on this one.



Relative to SMN prior to the nerf.... like literally the exact thing your post was about. It's great for buffing parties... It's pretty freaking terrible at dealing damage now.

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...TopShelf told Nas to roll back all your ZNM gear, do the gilpocalypse and nerf Fishing/RNG into the ground.


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 Post subject: Re: Some of you..
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Louiscool wrote:
Wolffhardt wrote:
Louiscool wrote:

I believe everything that is broken should be fixed, so you're talking to the wrong guy when you do stupid thought experiments of like, "If you're going to fix this, then you have to fix this!!!!!" ---- I agree. Get on it. You didn't "catch" me. Fix it all.



I believe you're still confused on the state of RNG.

You keep quoting me with previous posts.... with things that I still believe and apply to this situation.


RNG was fundamentally broken, and significantly more powerful than they were at the time that the game is aiming to replicate. Sorry if that fact upsets you, but that's the case and is why people would like it fixed.


Are you just going to keep repeating yourself, or point to what was actually broken?

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Kazen wrote:
...TopShelf told Nas to roll back all your ZNM gear, do the gilpocalypse and nerf Fishing/RNG into the ground.


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 Post subject: Re: Some of you..
PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:46 pm 
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Wolffhardt wrote:
Louiscool wrote:
Wolffhardt wrote:


I believe you're still confused on the state of RNG.

You keep quoting me with previous posts.... with things that I still believe and apply to this situation.


RNG was fundamentally broken, and significantly more powerful than they were at the time that the game is aiming to replicate. Sorry if that fact upsets you, but that's the case and is why people would like it fixed.


Are you just going to keep repeating yourself, or point to what was actually broken?


I wouldn't take a RNG to merit/xp with me as it is now, so that's not really the point.

They'd be welcome to end game as a normal DD. They were allowed for a number of things in era, when it was functioning correctly. They just weren't like they are here.


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 Post subject: Re: Some of you..
PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:46 pm 
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Kazen wrote:
Wolffhardt wrote:
Dodi wrote:
Mark my words- in one month most ppl won't be complaining anymore and Ranger will still be used about the same amount and to about the same effect. Same shit happened with SMN and look how that nerf turned out...



SMN is pretty fucking horrible now, relatively speaking.

It's used...significantly less.


Don't let facts change the narrative.


Before the SMN nerf it was WAAAAAAY more powerful than it ever was on retail. That's why it was used so much more. It's still extremely useful in endgame.


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 Post subject: Re: Some of you..
PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:47 pm 
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Wolffhardt wrote:
Dodi wrote:
Wolffhardt wrote:


SMN is pretty fucking horrible now, relatively speaking.


Relative to what- When it was totally broken? Currently it's one of the most useful and flexible jobs for endgame. I'm not really sure what your argument is on this one.



Relative to SMN prior to the nerf.... like literally the exact thing your post was about. It's great for buffing parties... It's pretty freaking terrible at dealing damage now.


I don't ever recall SMN being a top damage dealing class on retail- am I mistaken?


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 Post subject: Re: Some of you..
PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:48 pm 
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Dodi wrote:
Wolffhardt wrote:
Dodi wrote:

Relative to what- When it was totally broken? Currently it's one of the most useful and flexible jobs for endgame. I'm not really sure what your argument is on this one.



Relative to SMN prior to the nerf.... like literally the exact thing your post was about. It's great for buffing parties... It's pretty freaking terrible at dealing damage now.


I don't ever recall SMN being a top damage dealing class on retail- am I mistaken?



Depends what you were fighting.... that being said, SMN was probably overbuffed for damage.. Hence why I never complained about his changes to SMN damage. It's pretty pitiful now though for most things.

Which is in stark contrast to RNG, where it was working as intended for the era right before the yalm distance change. It wasn't overpowered. RNG was just a very powerful job for some content at the time.

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...TopShelf told Nas to roll back all your ZNM gear, do the gilpocalypse and nerf Fishing/RNG into the ground.


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 Post subject: Re: Some of you..
PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:49 pm 
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Louiscool wrote:
Wolffhardt wrote:
Louiscool wrote:

RNG was fundamentally broken, and significantly more powerful than they were at the time that the game is aiming to replicate. Sorry if that fact upsets you, but that's the case and is why people would like it fixed.


Are you just going to keep repeating yourself, or point to what was actually broken?


I wouldn't take a RNG to merit/xp with me as it is now, so that's not really the point.

They'd be welcome to end game as a normal DD. They were allowed for a number of things in era, when it was functioning correctly. They just weren't like they are here.


so no... we're just taking your word for it on being broken?

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Kazen wrote:
...TopShelf told Nas to roll back all your ZNM gear, do the gilpocalypse and nerf Fishing/RNG into the ground.


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 Post subject: Re: Some of you..
PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:52 pm 
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Dodi wrote:
Mark my words- in one month most ppl won't be complaining anymore and Ranger will still be used about the same amount and to about the same effect. Same shit happened with SMN and look how that nerf turned out...



This was a change to how the class was played that was extremely controversial even on retail. Nas could just literally lower their damage if they were doing too much, much like he did with.... Summoner, which is STILL absurdly uncoded compared to retail, but was fairly and rightfully nerfed in its damage output. Got to disagree that they are the same. And for those comparing it to beast, beast was nothing like retail, and was brought back in line or nerfed too hard. All three of these are different >.>


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 Post subject: Re: Some of you..
PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:52 pm 
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Wolffhardt wrote:
Dodi wrote:
Wolffhardt wrote:


Relative to SMN prior to the nerf.... like literally the exact thing your post was about. It's great for buffing parties... It's pretty freaking terrible at dealing damage now.


I don't ever recall SMN being a top damage dealing class on retail- am I mistaken?



Depends what you were fighting.... that being said, SMN was probably overbuffed for damage.. Hence why I never complained about his changes to SMN damage. It's pretty pitiful now though for most things.

Which is in stark contrast to RNG, where it was working as intended for the era right before the yalm distance change. It wasn't overpowered. RNG was just a very powerful job for some content at the time.


I don't disagree with your points here, I'm just more of a "let's wait and see before we blow a gasket" type of person. I stand by my "one month" prediction. People will adjust and things will be fine. SMN isn't dead and RNG won't be either. Will the overall power level decrease? Perhaps? But will the job be garbage. Nope.


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