Deadwing wrote:
Since AV seems to be dragged into these discussions a lot I'd also like to mention that, although I'm not a fan of top shelf, I believe their four AV kills were legitimate.
No mechanics of the mob that would have had any bearing on the difficulty of the fight were ever changed. The lunar cry nerf was canceled by the addition of feint where zerging is concerned. The change to desperate blows cut zerg damage by maybe twenty percent, but that's not the same discussion as a mob becoming a hundred times harder to spawn and ten times harder to kill as would presumably be the case with PW.
Since you're here, i'd like to take everything back i said about AV's regen being broken, we found out what it was, thought it was a bug since "it" was/is something completely unknown to the FFXI community regarding AV, except to a handful of people maybe, including yourself.
AV is one of the most well coded NM's on this server and there's no other server that could give you pretty much the same AV that retail originally introduced. So, well done.
Trojaness wrote:
AV from my understanding, the mob itself wasn't bugged, but the job abilities that were used in killing it. This wasn't even known until the mob was killed (I think 4 times), and the the bugs were found out, reported and changed. Please correct me if I'm wrong on this part. If what I understand is true, comparing to an instantly re-popping mob, that can be lowman'd and doesn't require any farming except to pop is a little bit narrow minded.
That's correct, AV was never bugged. It was DRK's job trait Desperate Blows that worked for 1handed weapons instead of just for 2handed. Going to ignore the Lunar Cry bug from Fenrir that Achisweden loves to mention since he has no clue, which pretty much had 0 impact in reaching the accuracy cap on a Lv84 mob that you can with today's lunar cry/feint.
This issue with DRK wasn't known to TS or anyone on the server, nobody knew about this bug. Kraken DRK's were used to zerg AV/DL because of the one shot mechanics these mobs have and it does the most efficient dmg in a short amount of time.
This DRK bug was found out by a single person who had tested it and posted on the forums, where it got fixed within just a few days. Here's the post:
viewtopic.php?t=3777This fix basically took away the JA haste that a DRK could get with DB for 1 handed weapons, thus reducing their hit count/dmg with a KC.
There was another endgame LS that attempted AV with a kraken zerg back then without success, if any LS other than TS had killed it, you wouldn't see them here bitching about AV items, trust me. The fact that only TS was able to kill it shows that it still wasn't an easy fight and took alot of time, theory crafting and coordination to get there.
AV wasn't the only mob that was killed with an incorrectly working job trait either, nearly every NM/HNM/exp mobs have been killed with broken job alilities, spells, traits, pets and still are, today, but none of these get mentioned.The fact that people/officers/leaders from the other competing HNM linkshells come watch us fight AV while talking trash about our AV kills at the same time, shows how they roll.
Instead of attempting AV and try to learn the mechanics themselves, they rather come RECORD our attempts and learn from us as much as possible. Waiting for TS to kill it first cause, you know why.
We've since then been streaming our attempts so people don't come and lag us at the zone and watch the stream instead, but since we've been covering our battle logs on the stream, while still giving away some strats, competing HNM players show up regardless. I mean cool, we know you admire us, but at the very least keep your mouth shut and don't talk shit when trying to copy our strategies, makes you a hypocrite.
It's still killable and we'll kill it, have patience, it's just a matter of time now. The bug Wolf was talking about is a recent bug that impacts several mob AI's in certain scenarios since last patch and Nasomi has been made aware. I don't know if it's fixed yet.
We'll fight and kill AV with all it's mechanics. We're not pulling it to WoJ to get it stuck there to have an easy AV and get everyone banned at the same time. This is the only mob in the game that is actually a challenge to TS and we're not going to intentionally bug it out to make it easier. And once we've killed it, haters still gonna find something to talk shit about, you can't please everyone.
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