Hope you all have been having fun with it.

...TopShelf told Nas to roll back all your ZNM gear, do the gilpocalypse and nerf Fishing/RNG into the ground.

Let's get the facts out there about relic.

For a very short time when the server had a few dozen, not hundreds, of players, there were some major bugs with drops making relics easier to get. A few players still exist from that era. They do not have 10+ relics each.

Since the few hundred player mark, for a few years, TH was too powerful. This affected all items. Not just relic. But even that wide-spread issue that wasn't specific to Relic's obtain-ability led nas to try to rollback all relics by 1 step. By the time nas tried to do this rollback, the vast majority of relics were obtained "legitimately" (read: not from the very short time that they really were 'ez-mode'). Over 50% of the logged in player population at any given time was lv 75. Some of them had a relic and were working on a 2nd, some were working on their first, etc. The problem? If you just had currency, you just lost nothing. If you had actually invested in a relic, you lost something. And not only that, there were bugs causing people to not be able to continue their relic progress, so they were permanently stuck with a former step, and couldn't even try to continue.

Relics were still hard to obtain. It cost upwards of 15~20m gil before the TH change. Now it's about 30~40m, depending on the currency you need. Regardless of the currency, you still needed to get to 75, to get into a Dynamis shell, to have 18 people together to get the other items required for relic that aren't currency. All these things were still required.

Compare that rollback and it's subsequent undoing to the current proposed one: items obtainable from mobs that have instant respawns, a super-NM of AV's tier being killed by a few people quietly with secret strats (only in the past few months has the -entire- playerbase been made aware that it's BSTs). This is even more gross of an "EZ" mode than the easiest relics ever were for the handful of players who obtained them that way.

The two are completely incomparable. They are not at all the same subject.

The gilocaust, however, fits every single note in the song that is the removal of PW items. People were angry back then too. More people. The entire server.

Life goes on


disclaimer: I do not have an "ez mode" relic nor did I ever purchase currency before they cost 200k or more gil each. I was not affected by the relic rollback and had no opinion at the time. Nor do I have any PW items, ZNM items, etc.

Great... 17 pages of Libra and Nathano repeating the same thing over and over while not listening to or addressing counter points.

Id expect nothing else from people who know how much some old/banned members of their LS cheated for relics, but are obviously mislead as to how many other relics were gotten way back when.

Let's get nasomi to delete all Relics made between 2013 and 2015, even though most of 2015 was probably post drop rate fix, and we'll see which LS cries the most. If you deleted 2016-2017 relics, then youd get an overwhelming TOPshelf presence. 2018 would be a pretty decent mix.

People thinking relics acquired before the TH nerf was ezmode is laughable ignorance. It took a month going everyday with 2 characters, now it takes a month and a half. If you want relics to be harder than that to get... 45x2hours and 45x 100k (2xentryfee), then make a post about making relics harder to get, and nas can figure out a relic nerf then.


Since were doing disclaimers: I have 1-2 relics from 2013-2015, 1-2 from 2016-2017, and 4 from 2018 with a 5th otw next month. 3 were bought and made between 2013-2017, just not sure when. I would absolutely love for him to delete 1-2 of my relics from 2013-2015 if I never had to see this shit brought up again. Id also love to see Libra without a linkpearl when he gets kicked for making his LS lose half their relics.

Comic

I wish I could have found the thread yesterday talking about a similar topic but I cannot. So I’ll say it here. While many of these “elitist” players that are defending their relic, av, and crafting levels when it was in ez mode and claiming they got an easy pass because they had leverage and we don’t and is why we will lose our items without compensation, thanks to Wolff for putting it bluntly, Nas considering to handle it in a more fair way shows how the growing new endgame community has agency to be heard from Nas. I feel, with the upmost honesty that it really isn’t anyone’s fault honestly, is that Nas listens to Nabu and some of the other players mode because they have been here longer and he built relations with them. Nabu and some of the older players may fire back claiming what ever they will, but Nabu in an earlier thread said he was going to have a talk with him about the teleports in the cities.

Now do I fault this relationship from being established? No and it was bound to happen. But for Nas to change his method of approach shows that he cares about the new player base. Many of the haters here that want to talk down to the community who rightfully complained, cannot ignore the fact that Nas compromised with us. We matter too and perhaps one day, rather than learning from you, you’d learn from the new player base that has a differing view on some things. Or even, and perhaps better for all, we learn from each other.

Those that are upset; I feel you but let’s look at what we won a few days ago. We won the argument that Nas was paying attention, though I thank Nabu for assuring us this fact. Aside from Nabu, everyone else said he didn’t care nor should he. This is a win against them and it’s a win for fairness. I can see the hate coming to me. But at the end of the day, the poll spoke for this message, the supporters of what I advocated for gave this argument its voice. And Nas listened. What more can we ask for? So I ask those who were complaining, to look at the things we won and rejoice rather than push the issue further.

You are clueless

It was something I'd never seen anyone point out before, but was verifiably true of the original AV based on blog posts from 2005-2007 and makes a certain degree of intuitive sense given the other unique mechanics at play in the fight. Hope you all have been having fun with it.



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