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PostPosted: Tue Mar 14, 2017 11:18 pm 
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Arx wrote:
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Fafnir is a joke here


It's as much of a joke as it was in retail? It might be a joke if you are exploiting the incorrectly coded BLU spells, but aside from that it's not any easier than it ever was.



It is very accurate to retail.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2017 2:42 am 
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What exactly is wrong about setting Ni & Refresh scrolls on an NPC for something like 500K gil cost?

It would keep the incentive for people to hunt BCNM/OWNM, as the price is high from an NPC, but it offers another supply alternative to stabilize the player base.

Currently I'm playing my Red Mage, I'm not at 41 for Refresh yet, but if there's 0 on the AH and I'm too low level for hunting OWNM, I have zero chance with the broken BCNM. At least on an NPC, I can work towards that gil and buy it, both reducing gil from the player economy, lowering inflation to boot.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2017 2:55 am 
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If you read up on OWNM's, they're designed to rival BCNM's. IE if a bcnm is restricted to level 40, then the corresponding ownm will be level 40 as well. BCNM's are disabled due to exploits, but nas made sure that ownm's were functioning properly and as they should be before disabling bcnm's. The most important thing to know about ownm's is that gear doesn't sync well, so if you head in, have level appropriate gear. I've done multiple ownm's with various jobs/groups and had great success.

The problem here is the veteran/seasoned players complain there's no spells to buy, and refuse to actually work for them, so when the exploiters dried up they didn't have a supply. Players leveling normally should have no issues spending a few days farming these, since they're roaming up without issue, to get their scrolls. It may take a try or two to figure them out, but they're definitely do-able. There's a few ownm videos on youtube even, with viable strategies. The issue is players aren't working together in small groups to figure them out.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2017 5:56 am 
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Kubisnaxx wrote:
Arx wrote:
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Fafnir is a joke here


It's as much of a joke as it was in retail? It might be a joke if you are exploiting the incorrectly coded BLU spells, but aside from that it's not any easier than it ever was.


We could have easily done it without BLUs. People in your ls are/were leveling BLU for the reason we were using them for. They weren't that big of a game changer as you're making them out to be


Only person I can think of that was/is leveling blu is najii and hes been leveling it for like a year lol so not sure who you are referring to. Only other people in LS with blu are cajole who has all jobs 75 and me which I leveled over a year ago just to use as a healing type job because I dont like rdm or whm lol way to lazy to bother to gather up nuking gear for blu when I can just play blm.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2017 11:03 am 
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My issue with OWNMs is that I can't get into party for one just because I do not have the right job. I am SAM, WAR and I am told that these jobs are no good for them. I will level NIN soon enough, but the only option to get Utsutsemi: Ni will be through gil grind and just buying the scroll (which will be way overpriced). Game is tough as it is for melee and being pushed to the side all the time for not having BLM doesn't help. I am sure, BCNMs were gil income for some (me included) and now most camps are over camped with other players (most likely in the same boat as myself) because of that.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2017 1:54 pm 
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OWNMs are a poor solution because you can basically kill it once a day. My friends and I have a thousand or more combined seals from when we started that we could pour into doing a BCNM40 20 to 25 times in a single day. You can not replace an event that you can do an infinite number of times that has a drop rate tuned for it being done that many times, with an NM that you can kill one time a day that is given that same drop rate.

You can call people lazy or whatever but the problem isnt the people, the problem is OWNMs are not a polished system. I respect nasomi for dedicating all his time to the server and all that, but this is a fact - and the server is currently suffering from not having BCNMs active. OWNMs were fine as a side job for other BCNMs but the system is not capable of being a replacement for BCNMs entirely on its own.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2017 2:10 pm 
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Rulkar wrote:
OWNMs are a crap solution because you can basically kill it once a day. My friends and I have a thousand or more combined seals from when we started that we could pour into doing a BCNM40 20 to 25 times in a single day. You can not replace an event that you can do an infinite number of times that has a drop rate tuned for it being done that many times, with an NM that you can kill one time a day that is given that same drop rate.

You can call people lazy or whatever but the problem isnt the people, the problem is OWNMs are a garbage system. I respect nasomi for dedicating all his time to the server and all that, but this is a fact - and the server is currently suffering greatly from not having BCNMs active.


This.

I just started playing again a couple weeks ago. Was not even aware that all bcnm fights were down until a couple nights ago. Last time I played at least a handful of them worked. I had been leveling BST to 40 solely for bcnm40 to try and make money to level another job. Seems I'm stuck either leveling something gimped or something I don't want to play now.

Just throwing them on an NPC for 500k is not a solution either. How is someone new supposed to make that much money? BCNM fights were a way for new people to be able to make decent money. Everyone would be forced to spend all their time farming if they had to pay a NPC for the spell. Granted I never farmed much in retail. Maybe there is something decent to farm on Nasomi for people in the mid 30s?

I have no idea what jobs are wanted for OWNMs, but from the chat it's either BLM or you're not getting in a party. I assume there are other combos that will work but no one says anything about it. I was also not aware they were 12 hour repops. The server population is high enough that even if the drop was 100%, 2 drops a day is still not enough.

Yeah, it's not a game breaking problem and I'm still enjoying getting on for a couple hours every now and then, but it is certainly a huge roadblock for myself and many others.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2017 2:14 pm 
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You sniped my quote before I softened my language, haha.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2017 2:47 pm 
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Refresh is also on that list, you can just take a look at the Auction House to see that this system is not working for that.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2017 3:23 pm 
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We started recently with a group of 8-10 people and we are mostly at the point where we need BCNM40 spells and gear. It is definitely a bummer that we can't just spend a day using all the seals we have built up so we can gear up each other.

Really in the end, I understand why they were taken down. Doing the BCNMs for free is definitely also not a healthy scenario. But I really hope Nasomi can manage to get them up and running again soon as it is really hindering progress for us and others in our position.


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