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Luthigosa
PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2018 8:15 pm 
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rmackner wrote:
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Oh, so SMN SC does work now? It wasn't working when the patch rolled out.


Yes, I was likely in the group that that spoons is referring to.

We were doing penta thrust -> blade: chi -> double slap for transfixion -> distortion

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penta thrust -> split shot -> double slap for transfixion -> distortion

on both of these, our blm followed up with a water III

SMN was doing average 700 double slaps with ~550 distortions followed by 550 water III when unresisted.

Just wanna call out pidoo for crushing the MBs, his timing was pin point.


Wonder why the BLM didn't freeze? Had a BLM getting 1k+ MB on pugs in TC the other day.


Simply wasnt necessary, we were limited by BP recast and tp more than damage. The water III was killing or nearly killing it every time.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2018 8:18 pm 
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Nabutso wrote:
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Wonder why the BLM didn't freeze? Had a BLM getting 1k+ MB on pugs in TC the other day.

Wasted damage/MP. If the mob is gonna die from Water III or Freeze, it's just not worth using the AM in that case.


Depends on how you look at it. Starting the SC at 70% health would kill the mob. You could have every other mob dead within 10ish seconds, just like how we did it on retail.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2018 8:19 pm 
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rmackner wrote:
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Wonder why the BLM didn't freeze? Had a BLM getting 1k+ MB on pugs in TC the other day.

Wasted damage/MP. If the mob is gonna die from Water III or Freeze, it's just not worth using the AM in that case.


Depends on how you look at it. Starting the SC at 70% health would kill the mob. You could have every other mob dead within 10ish seconds, just like how we did it on retail.


Because it wasn't necessary
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Luthigosa
PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2018 8:21 pm 
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rmackner wrote:
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Wonder why the BLM didn't freeze? Had a BLM getting 1k+ MB on pugs in TC the other day.

Wasted damage/MP. If the mob is gonna die from Water III or Freeze, it's just not worth using the AM in that case.


Depends on how you look at it. Starting the SC at 70% health would kill the mob. You could have every other mob dead within 10ish seconds, just like how we did it on retail.


I feel like you're not reading the situation we're referring to. If you look I've said that with water III if we started below 90% the water damage was wasted. And with water III it was EVERY mob, not every other mob.
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Freeze really isn't worth the casting time and MP. You can drop tier 2 agas for about 2/3 of the dmg much faster for less MP... and even Double Burst with a T3 single target if the melees are consistent.

Provided there's a SC...
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Chakan wrote:
Freeze really isn't worth the casting time and MP. You can drop tier 2 agas for about 2/3 of the dmg much faster for less MP... and even Double Burst with a T3 single target if the melees are consistent.

Provided there's a SC...



Dunno, on retail 03-05 this was the norm. Crawlers in Boyahda Tree being the prime example of people using freeze to MB down quickly. Who knows maybe people were just dumb back then but hey it worked out great and at least we got a SC every mob lol.

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Yeah, i remember it being the norm. BLMs would have a long macro indicating when to start the skillchain. LOL
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rmackner wrote:
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Freeze really isn't worth the casting time and MP. You can drop tier 2 agas for about 2/3 of the dmg much faster for less MP... and even Double Burst with a T3 single target if the melees are consistent.

Provided there's a SC...



Dunno, on retail 03-05 this was the norm. Crawlers in Boyahda Tree being the prime example of people using freeze to MB down quickly. Who knows maybe people were just dumb back then but hey it worked out great and at least we got a SC every mob lol.


In 03-05 the norm was to wear 5/5 af pieces regardless of class. Just because it was normal doesn't mean it was optimal.
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Luthigosa wrote:
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Chakan wrote:
Freeze really isn't worth the casting time and MP. You can drop tier 2 agas for about 2/3 of the dmg much faster for less MP... and even Double Burst with a T3 single target if the melees are consistent.

Provided there's a SC...



Dunno, on retail 03-05 this was the norm. Crawlers in Boyahda Tree being the prime example of people using freeze to MB down quickly. Who knows maybe people were just dumb back then but hey it worked out great and at least we got a SC every mob lol.


In 03-05 the norm was to wear 5/5 af pieces regardless of class. Just because it was normal doesn't mean it was optimal.


Yes, normal because they looked cool and it was "free" high level gear. Sure most people on this server are "meta" gamers and anything less then 100% is not worth your time. But information about the game wasn't as available as it is now, NA players had no idea what they were doing. But we did freeze MBs at 70% health and got chain 5s, we were doing something right. If it worked then, then it will "probably" work now. A freeze MB can forsure get a weak PT moving, who knows maybe that's why we did it.

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rmackner wrote:
Luthigosa wrote:
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Dunno, on retail 03-05 this was the norm. Crawlers in Boyahda Tree being the prime example of people using freeze to MB down quickly. Who knows maybe people were just dumb back then but hey it worked out great and at least we got a SC every mob lol.


In 03-05 the norm was to wear 5/5 af pieces regardless of class. Just because it was normal doesn't mean it was optimal.


Yes, normal because they looked cool and it was "free" high level gear. Sure most people on this server are "meta" gamers and anything less then 100% is not worth your time. But information about the game wasn't as available as it is now, NA players had no idea what they were doing. But we did freeze MBs at 70% health and got chain 5s, we were doing something right. If it worked then, then it will "probably" work now. A freeze MB can forsure get a weak PT moving, who knows maybe that's why we did it.


So u pretty much just answered ur own question, people use to have no idea what they were doing, now we have better understanding and more access to gear and can kill more efficiently than using a freeze sc.

Which comes back to the point of. It was not necessary :D
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