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PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 3:33 am 
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Kazen wrote:
Wolffhardt wrote:
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lol?


You're an extremely smart person (Not a troll).. You know the irony of the post you made, and how much mileage that's gonna give me.


No I really don't, the only thing I can assume you're speaking about is AV, which if you want to jump down that rabbit hole, we can.


/shrugemoji

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...TopShelf told Nas to roll back all your ZNM gear, do the gilpocalypse and nerf Fishing/RNG into the ground.


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 3:34 am 
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Just curious, how is PW items any different then easy relic with repeatable dynamis all day? Or crash zone HNM 20x a day?


He's already tried repealing relics and when more than half his endgame population quit instantly he reverted it. Since then he has come out and said he has no plans to make relic weapons harder to obtain. EDIT: Also when was Dynamis repeatable "all day"?

As for the HNM spawning 20x a day via zone crashing, I wasn't around for it but I'd love for a rollback of all that gear but it won't happen.

Those are both not 1:1 situations to the entirety of an expansion being rolled out.

Still waiting for where Wolf thinks I'm being super ironic.



No - You're not, I promise.

Have a good one.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 3:52 am 
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If we are gonna equate retail accuracy to what needs to be rolled back we are gonna end up back @ level 1. (Sry wolf)

I for one am against punishing players for playing the game fairly within the bounds of Nasomi. It's too bad that level of playtime would be considered for a roll back based on this content update.


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 4:12 am 
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I think you misunderstood my stance. I don't think we should equate retail accuracy to what needs to be rolled back..

I don't think we should be rolling back things. That ship sailed a long time ago, and people took actions based on that ship sailing. That's all I ever said. I could care less about my hachi body, I hardly use it.

If you can't find the irony in a bunch of vets saying, "You should have known better acquiring things in a manner that wasn't accurate to retail" though, lord. I can't help you.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 4:24 am 
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For everyone to see what people voted on.


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 4:26 am 
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I sincerely doubt that today, December 14th, 2018, is the first time we get a vote.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 4:27 am 
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Wolffhardt wrote:
I sincerely doubt that today, December 14th, 2018, is the first time we get a vote.


That was taken today. Nabu created the thread.


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 4:28 am 
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Correct. As much as I like to troll all of you, Nabutso isn't actually Nasomi.

That poll was meaningless.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 4:30 am 
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The point of the poll wasn't to determine what nas would do. It was to show what people's thoughts were on the matter. That's all.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 4:34 am 
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Wolffhardt wrote:
Correct. As much as I like to troll all of you, Nabutso isn't actually Nasomi.

That poll was meaningless.


Not really. It shows what the player base believes. And as someone who both cares about the context this represents and the encoding this represents, as well as talking to people on the forums, in game, and naschat, this is profound in on itself.

But now let's take this a step further. Take away this fact and culture studies, as yes this is a digital culture, we have to now enter quantitative analysis. This 150+ people that took to this thread that Nas was watching is enough data to stratify and create a model to understand server behavior as there is enough people who took the survey to do so. I am sure if I were to do that, I could scale it easy. This isn't hard AT ALL. The joke isn't on anyone AT ALL. There is a problem and the player base that has been actively voicing their opinion has spoken.

We need to fix this problem, I agree. But the solution isn't easy. It's a lose lose situation no matter what way you look at it. Plain and simple.


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