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Wolffhardt
PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2018 4:14 pm 
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violetnce wrote:
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To Cil's point, sometimes things are so glaringly wrong that the fact that someone has to be "convinced" of them perplexes people. This is one of those times. Macc is orders of magnitude off of where it should be for BLM.


I'm not asking to be convinced. I'm telling you to provide at least a shred of real evidence that supports your claim.

"But my feelings" isn't evidence. We don't allow intuition to be taken as fact.


I, somehow, have even less interest in proving anything to you than I do Nas. If you’re dumb enough to convince everyone knowing macc is substantially wrong as “feelings”, that’s on you... I’m just glad your opinions and dismissals don’t matter.

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Wolffhardt
PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2018 4:15 pm 
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violetnce wrote:
I'm not disputing that Nas' damage formula is wrong. I'm challenging your "solution" to the problem, which seems to be just whine to Nasomi and post anecdotes until your numbers go up.

Provide evidence to correct the situation or go away.


Uhh.. if Nas wants to share the code he uses for Macc and then allow us to use parsers, we’ll be happy to.

Until that happens, whining to Nas until he decides to fix it is basically the only option.

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violetnce wrote:

Provide evidence to correct the situation or go away.


Who are you? :roll:

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2018 4:16 pm 
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Wolffhardt wrote:
violetnce wrote:
I'm not disputing that Nas' damage formula is wrong. I'm challenging your "solution" to the problem, which seems to be just whine to Nasomi and post anecdotes until your numbers go up.

Provide evidence to correct the situation or go away.


Uhh.. if Nas wants to share the code he uses for Macc and then allow us to use parsers, we’ll be happy to.

Until that happens, whining to Nas until he decides to fix it is basically the only option.


Exactly

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Aramiltaru
PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2018 4:17 pm 
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Maseki wrote:
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Maseki's post demonstrates the mentality that is exactly incorrect. "One time I got a 6" is simply not proof that the damage formula is wrong. @Maseki 's entire post amounts of complaining that one time they got a bad damage roll without providing any substance to improve the situation.

Provide evidence that the damage formula in ToAU was different. Provide evidence to what the damage formula in ToAU actually was. Show how the retail ToAU damage formula differs from Nas' damage formula.

Do those things or go away.


If you've ever played BLM on retail you'd know doing a magic burst when a mob in essentially fully vulnerable to that element means you do double or more damage than a normal nuke. That's the entire point of setting up an SC.

6 damage is not normal.. I don't care if it's once or 100x. Its evidence that it's broken.

Now onto the actual formula part. If able I'd love to do tests when I'm 75. I'm not concerned about my damage right now but at 75 I surely will be. I don't want to not be able to use zenith hands because the acc is so badly mis-calculated.



Erm... Double or more is not right - it's a 30% damage bonus. If it's doubling your damage it's because you were getting a 1/2 resist on your "normal nuke".

That said I never in retail saw a BLM's magic burst resist more than 1/2 unless a mob was highly resistant to the element used. 6 damage on a magic burst, while anecdotal, shouldn't be possible.

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violetnce
PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2018 4:23 pm 
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Wolffhardt wrote:
Uhh.. if Nas wants to share the code he uses for Macc and then allow us to use parsers, we’ll be happy to.

Until that happens, whining to Nas until he decides to fix it is basically the only option.


"I'm too lazy to compile the data myself with a spreadsheet :("
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Wolffhardt
PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2018 4:30 pm 
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violetnce wrote:
Wolffhardt wrote:
Uhh.. if Nas wants to share the code he uses for Macc and then allow us to use parsers, we’ll be happy to.

Until that happens, whining to Nas until he decides to fix it is basically the only option.


"I'm too lazy to compile the data myself with a spreadsheet :("



If I sent you a spreadsheet full of numbers, would you go the heck away?

The rest of us are smart enough to realize how meaningless that is to the issue, or to Nas's decision to fix it.

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violetnce
PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2018 4:33 pm 
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Very smart people are known to be above such concepts as "facts" and "figures". This is known. Very well, I will concede my point on account of your superior intellect.
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Wolffhardt
PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2018 4:34 pm 
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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing


Now please go away. There's your spreadsheet. can the adults that understand FFXI talk now?

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violetnce
PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2018 4:43 pm 
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Ah yes, I can see you are a very mature, very big brained adult who "understands the game" without even knowing the damage formula on the server. Very well. The floor is yours. Continue.
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