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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2018 4:43 pm 
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violetnce wrote:
Ah yes, I can see you are a very mature, very big brained adult who "understands the game" without even knowing the damage formula on the server. Very well. The floor is yours. Continue.



were you abused by someone that knew what they were talking about or something? Why do you hate us so much?

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...TopShelf told Nas to roll back all your ZNM gear, do the gilpocalypse and nerf Fishing/RNG into the ground.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2018 4:46 pm 
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No one has the MACC formula that Nas uses... hence the problem. I'm not sure what's so confusing about that. Anyone that ever played a nuking job in retail knows that the current state of Macc is laughably off-target. If he'd allow parsers, or release the code for damage/macc, I'm sure we'd be happy to help him. Since neither of those are ever going to happen, on Nasomi, we just have to ask him to fix things and let him take another crack at it until it's right. That's basically how it works.

I'm sorry that I had to explain that to you, or how that works on the server, I wasn't really looking to embarrass you... you just seemed really set in your way of ensuring that someone did.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2018 4:50 pm 
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Violetnce is Nathano confirmed

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2018 5:00 pm 
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Aramiltaru wrote:
Violetnce is Nathano confirmed




someday this joke will not be funny anymore. I can't say when that day will come, but I can say one thing for sure: It ain't today.

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...TopShelf told Nas to roll back all your ZNM gear, do the gilpocalypse and nerf Fishing/RNG into the ground.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2018 5:01 pm 
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Once more, need I remind you that merely changing the damage formula won't solve the problem. The problem, because this server intends to emulate ToAU to the best of its ability, is that it isn't using the ToAU formula. That means every single possible formula that isn't exactly ToAU's is equally wrong. Once more I tell you to go forth, and compile what data to remedy this problem - as "MACC needs buff" isn't going to solve it - it's just going to push the problem in the other direction, potentially making BLM too powerful for the era, and the whining never stops.

Compile the data or go away.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2018 5:11 pm 
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violetnce wrote:
Once more, need I remind you that merely changing the damage formula won't solve the problem. The problem, because this server intends to emulate ToAU to the best of its ability, is that it isn't using the ToAU formula. That means every single possible formula that isn't exactly ToAU's is equally wrong. Once more I tell you to go forth, and compile what data to remedy this problem - as "MACC needs buff" isn't going to solve it - it's just going to push the problem in the other direction, potentially making BLM too powerful for the era, and the whining never stops.

Compile the data or go away.


You keep saying damage formula. It's indicative that you have no idea what you're talking about. The damage formula is either correct or close enough to correct that blms are collectively satisfied.

The magic accuracy formula is not close enough to correct, and blms are collectively dissatisfied.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2018 5:12 pm 
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Thanks for the advice. We'll all take it to heart. Done, now?

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2018 5:15 pm 
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Every job that was OP gets nerfed into the ground way worse than it ever was on retail. I take it as a punishment from nas for being too strong. He fixes it months or a year later usually. But blm has remained in its current state for a long time. Maseki, your example is an extremely poor one. A fully resisted nuke that would have done 3-4 damage getting bumped up to 6 technically is a substantial increase % wise. MB's can still get fully resisted. Blm was always kind of lackluster in xp in retail as well though, wasn't it? The thing is it is probably very hard to balance because it is still extremely powerful on IT mobs at 75. It's still incredibly strong on Nidhogg and KB. It's just big wyrms where it's falling short. Perhaps Jorm and Tia MDB or INT levels should be looked into a little. If he just upped blm power/acc, it would then be op again on regular mobs.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2018 5:16 pm 
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Pedantism.

Has it ever once crossed your mind that perhaps the formulas that in sum spit out your final damage number are intentionally nerfed to the ground so that the playerbase might finally scour the internet and compile at least a best guess to the formulas that were present in retail ToAU?

I think we can agree that this problem would quickly be solved if you could provide the ToAU damage formua alongside evidence that it was in fact accurate.

Yet... here you are. Demanding someone else do it. Stamping your feet and making a ruckus while proudly claiming that this is all you feel you need to do.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2018 5:21 pm 
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violetnce wrote:
Pedantism.

Has it ever once crossed your mind that perhaps the formulas that in sum spit out your final damage number are intentionally nerfed to the ground so that the playerbase might finally scour the internet and compile at least a best guess to the formulas that were present in retail ToAU?

I think we can agree that this problem would quickly be solved if you could provide the ToAU damage formua alongside evidence that it was in fact accurate.

Yet... here you are. Demanding someone else do it. Stamping your feet and making a ruckus while proudly claiming that this is all you feel you need to do.


So wait... people have repeatedly offered to help out with code for the server and Nas has refused that help repeatedly. But you are here demanding that in order for people to communicate that something is amiss they must first provide details of how the suggested coding differs from a code of which they have no access to. Are you high?

People are here to play the game, not spend their time combing the internet for suggested code fixes for code they can’t even access.


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