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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2019 7:14 pm 
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D3vilTrigg3r wrote:
mello wrote:
What makes you think you deserve to claim a mob you havent put in the time to learn
What are you even talking about?
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Level75 is not power in this game, KNOWLEDGE is power.. go get yourself some knowldge, educate yourself. Because in a few months when you do, you’ll be rollig your eyes at the next new player that makes this same exact post you just made.
I feel you totally missed the heart of this debate.....by a mile.....


You say people are missing your argument, but they're really not. You're claiming the reason that RA/EX and RA versions of these items should be swapped is because the playing field is not level. These players are telling you that the only reason it isn't, is because you're not putting in the work. This game gives you VIABLE means to camp these NMs or get seals for the BCs, just by simply leveling up. Level 1-10 on a job gets you 15 seals approx in 2 hours. Even more if you push your soloing into the teens. Bounding boots are a 30-40% drop rate. That math sounds a lot better than trying to compete against people for a 7-% drop rate on Lizzy, even if it is RA/EX. Why are you discounting the options you DO have and simply saying the way you want to get it is "unfair."

Camping lizzy will always be more difficult than doing an easy ass BC that you could get a group for within 10mins of shouting, RA/EX or not. The drop rate is abysmal for Lizzy, you don't get anything accomplished while doing it, whereas with Beastmen seal farming, you're typically farming a viable mob or exping off of EP/DCs. Your argument is even worse with VE who can't even be killed until low 30's, so to simply get lvl 45 puts you (almost) on the same playing field as even the best of campers. Camping VE is easy with the right tools, watch the guys who do it. It's people like you who make their job even easier, because you sit back and complain instead of putting in the work and being actual competition.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2019 7:22 pm 
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i agree with the OP , but Nas has said NO , sadly not gonna happen :/


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2019 8:03 pm 
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Nabutso wrote:
I can already tell this is the new "remove dualboxing" thread.

Good luck.



It’s equally as dumb, for sure.

Like that last thread, stop telling people they are missing your point or don’t understand it. That’s not true. We 100% understand your point, and we think you are wrong.

It’s gonna be alright

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2019 8:32 pm 
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Your post reeks of whiny entitlement. Suck less.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2019 9:13 pm 
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It'd be even harder to claim if it was ra/ex because you couldn't farm+buy it, so you'd have more comp. If you're upset because it's hard to claim, this is a terrible solution.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2019 9:38 pm 
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lockecole777 wrote:
You say people are missing your argument, but they're really not. You're claiming the reason that RA/EX and RA versions of these items should be swapped is because the playing field is not level. These players are telling you that the only reason it isn't, is because you're not putting in the work. This game gives you VIABLE means to camp these NMs or get seals for the BCs, just by simply leveling up. Level 1-10 on a job gets you 15 seals approx in 2 hours. Even more if you push your soloing into the teens. Bounding boots are a 30-40% drop rate. That math sounds a lot better than trying to compete against people for a 7-% drop rate on Lizzy, even if it is RA/EX. Why are you discounting the options you DO have and simply saying the way you want to get it is "unfair."

Camping lizzy will always be more difficult than doing an easy ass BC that you could get a group for within 10mins of shouting, RA/EX or not. The drop rate is abysmal for Lizzy, you don't get anything accomplished while doing it, whereas with Beastmen seal farming, you're typically farming a viable mob or exping off of EP/DCs. Your argument is even worse with VE who can't even be killed until low 30's, so to simply get lvl 45 puts you (almost) on the same playing field as even the best of campers. Camping VE is easy with the right tools, watch the guys who do it. It's people like you who make their job even easier, because you sit back and complain instead of putting in the work and being actual competition.
Dude we dont need a guide to bounding boots lol. The point is it'd be nice to have an avenue to attain some items around the lvl you'd actually use em without the interfence of higher ups campin for gil. I've even heard of some of these players gifting the items to lower players out of generosity, which is fantastic, but it also says something about the way it is. The way most of these responses have been makes it seem like I'm killing their dog or something. Keep in mind my dudes, you are still making gil from the bcnm, with a higher drop rate I might add, because the demand is still there!! It feels win/win to me.
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We 100% understand your point, and we think
Emphasis on "think". Care to elaborate? Would like to know your opinion.
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Your post reeks of whiny entitlement. Suck less.
I'm puttin you in here because you seem like you need the attention.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2019 9:40 pm 
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But...but...my money...

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2019 9:46 pm 
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Our opinion is that your assumption that competition will remain the same is wrong. And it is. Retail proved it. Even in 2008 you could more or less freely camp LL and VE because they were Rare/EX.

We play here to avoid the bad changes retail made that reduced competition and made it a solo game. Nas built this server around that. You want that changed.

Not. Happening.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2019 9:49 pm 
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D3vilTrigg3r wrote:
I feel you totally missed the heart of this debate.....by a mile......


I think you're missing the point of competition in videos games, specifically THIS SERVER :lol: :lol: :lol:

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2019 9:51 pm 
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D3vilTrigg3r wrote:
lockecole777 wrote:
You say people are missing your argument, but they're really not. You're claiming the reason that RA/EX and RA versions of these items should be swapped is because the playing field is not level. These players are telling you that the only reason it isn't, is because you're not putting in the work. This game gives you VIABLE means to camp these NMs or get seals for the BCs, just by simply leveling up. Level 1-10 on a job gets you 15 seals approx in 2 hours. Even more if you push your soloing into the teens. Bounding boots are a 30-40% drop rate. That math sounds a lot better than trying to compete against people for a 7-% drop rate on Lizzy, even if it is RA/EX. Why are you discounting the options you DO have and simply saying the way you want to get it is "unfair."

Camping lizzy will always be more difficult than doing an easy ass BC that you could get a group for within 10mins of shouting, RA/EX or not. The drop rate is abysmal for Lizzy, you don't get anything accomplished while doing it, whereas with Beastmen seal farming, you're typically farming a viable mob or exping off of EP/DCs. Your argument is even worse with VE who can't even be killed until low 30's, so to simply get lvl 45 puts you (almost) on the same playing field as even the best of campers. Camping VE is easy with the right tools, watch the guys who do it. It's people like you who make their job even easier, because you sit back and complain instead of putting in the work and being actual competition.
Dude we dont need a guide to bounding boots lol. The point is it'd be nice to have an avenue to attain some items around the lvl you'd actually use em without the interfence of higher ups campin for gil. I've even heard of some of these players gifting the items to lower players out of generosity, which is fantastic, but it also says something about the way it is. The way most of these responses have been makes it seem like I'm killing their dog or something. Keep in mind my dudes, you are still making gil from the bcnm, with a higher drop rate I might add, because the demand is still there!! It feels win/win to me.
Wolffhardt wrote:
We 100% understand your point, and we think
Emphasis on "think". Care to elaborate? Would like to know your opinion.
Cilarnen wrote:
Your post reeks of whiny entitlement. Suck less.
I'm puttin you in here because you seem like you need the attention.


We don't need a guide to get Bounding boots, but apparently you do.


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