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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 7:59 pm 
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Seems to me like it's you who doesn't read between the lines. You focus on a change to Ranged weapons ignoring things like faster delay, autohp fix, fishing rigs working, and OWNM zone crashing. Ya'll saying nas 'doesn't listen' or that he's 'wasting his time on unnecessary stuff that no one asked for', but that's just not the case.

1 unpopular change and you all forget everything else he's done.

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It's okay guys all your X-Hit builds are fucked. All your RNGs are going to retire from endgame due to a 27% dmg decrease. Why come that when you have a job that is useful?

How are x-hit builds fucked? Did you miss that the reduced TP is a BUG? And that Ranged Weapons will get their TP added ASAP? Are you that blinded by anger that you can't sit down for 5 seconds and understand what is and isn't intentional, what nas does and doesn't plan to do?

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 8:01 pm 
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Kazen wrote:
Had I known this shit was coming I wouldn't have made an Annihilator. You really are retarded.


That's been obvious for a while, but it was really hammered home when he made that gun control post a while back.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 8:02 pm 
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Nabutso wrote:
Seems to me like it's you who doesn't read between the lines. You focus on a change to Ranged weapons ignoring things like faster delay, autohp fix, fishing rigs working, and OWNM zone crashing. Ya'll saying nas 'doesn't listen' or that he's 'wasting his time on unnecessary stuff that no one asked for', but that's just not the case.

1 unpopular change and you all forget everything else he's done.

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It's okay guys all your X-Hit builds are fucked. All your RNGs are going to retire from endgame due to a 27% dmg decrease. Why come that when you have a job that is useful?

How are x-hit builds fucked? Did you miss that the reduced TP is a BUG? And that Ranged Weapons will get their TP added ASAP? Are you that blinded by anger that you can't sit down for 5 seconds and understand what is and isn't intentional, what nas does and doesn't plan to do?

You're better than this.


Literally x-hit builds are fucked because he shipped a patch that wasn't tested that altered core game mechanics. Until he fixes it my Amano is useless.

Ranged TP ASAP? This shit has been documented over a year and a half ago and now it's coming ASAP? Give me a fucking break.

Edit: DSPT Had Auto-HP fixed quite a while ago. OWNM zone crashing has come 2 years after it started becoming a tool used for griefing. I give 2 fucks about Fishing Rigs as Fishing is continuously nerfed into the ground, as shown with the fatigue that was never supposed to come.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 8:02 pm 
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Nabutso wrote:
1 unpopular change and you all forget everything else he's done.


Oh, you mean the change that both you and Nasomi lied about? The change both of you said wasn't coming to the server? Nice backpedal though.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 8:05 pm 
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Nabutso wrote:
If you don't pull hate, tell me what the issue is then. Because everyone keeps complaining about pulling the mob away form melees etc. What's wrong if you don't pull hate?

Use a weapon that deals more damage at range then. Want the reduced enmity? Eat the reduced damage too. You can't have it both ways. But you have the options.



Take your head out of your butt long enough to realize that forcing a job to do less damage is a nerf. It may not be a nerf to its literal damage numbers popping up on the screen, but it is a nerf to its viability in parties.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 8:05 pm 
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Luthigosa wrote:
Kazen wrote:
Had I known this shit was coming I wouldn't have made an Annihilator. You really are retarded.


That's been obvious for a while, but it was really hammered home when he made that gun control post a while back.

What? Did you misunderstand me or something? I'm super pro-gun and own several. Waiting on some handgun grip tape to arrive as we speak :^)

But, no reason to be political, or worse, to misrepresent or misunderstand something so poorly (or feel the need to be outraged so extremely) that you make up beliefs in your head about what others think.

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Literally x-hit builds are fucked because he shipped a patch that wasn't tested that altered core game mechanics. Until he fixes it my Amano is useless.

Ranged TP ASAP? This shit has been documented over a year and a half ago and now it's coming ASAP? Give me a fucking break.

You miss this post? viewtopic.php?f=6&t=9206&start=300#p51491

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Nabutso wrote:
1 unpopular change and you all forget everything else he's done.


Oh, you mean the change that both you and Nasomi lied about? The change both of you said wasn't coming to the server? Nice backpedal though.


Is this SE's nerf? No? Then no, I didn't lie about it.

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Take your head out of your butt long enough to realize that forcing a job to do less damage is a nerf. It may not be a nerf to its literal damage numbers popping up on the screen, but it is a nerf to its viability in parties.

When ranged weapons get proper ammo TP calculations, will you still consider this an overall nerf? Just because you do less normal damage if you're playing wrong, that's all that you need to see to call it a nerf?

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 8:08 pm 
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Nabutso wrote:
When ranged weapons get proper ammo TP calculations, will you still consider this an overall nerf?



When the job's damage per second over 30 minutes to an hour is comparable to other jobs right now, without causing adverse effects like limiting the other jobs dps by pulling the mob away, which then in turn lowers the ranger dps to compare. The overall dps has ben lowered. Even if nas balances this by nerfing melees, all of this will still be a nerf.

which if people want to argue if it was needed or not, go for it. Not having that argument.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 8:10 pm 
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Nabutso wrote:
Literally x-hit builds are fucked because he shipped a patch that wasn't tested that altered core game mechanics. Until he fixes it my Amano is useless.


You miss this post? viewtopic.php?f=6&t=9206&start=300#p51491


Nah I didn't. It's amazing to me this patch made it to live without actually checking TP calculations.

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When ranged weapons get proper ammo TP calculations, will you still consider this an overall nerf? Just because you do less normal damage if you're playing wrong, that's all that you need to see to call it a nerf?


Yeah, I'm still going to call it a nerf. How is it against the core philosophy of the RNG job to stand at max range and shoot? Why should I expect less damage because I do that?

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 8:11 pm 
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But RNG's potential damage per second over 30 minutes to an hour is higher now in the right conditions than it was before. Yes, it can be lower in the wrong conditions too, and it could be the same. You -can- play around those conditions. Yes,you really, really, can. Just try it. Please.

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Yeah, I'm still going to call it a nerf. How is it against the core philosophy of the RNG job to stand at max range and shoot?

It doesn't go against the core philosophy of RNG. You don't need to use guns. A longbow will deal good damage at that range I'd imagine.

Curious: what's the optimal range with your relic Kazen?

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 8:14 pm 
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Nabutso wrote:
But RNG's potential damage per second over 30 minutes to an hour is higher now in the right conditions than it was before. Yes, it can be lower in the wrong conditions too, and it could be the same. You -can- play around those conditions. Yes,you really, really, can. Just try it. Please.


Sure man, people can and will play with those conditions, but they have been limited, which is a nerf.


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