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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 8:29 pm 
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I think i am gonna cut my losses and go to eden or something... tbh this whole update has turned me off from playing on nasomi Nabutso and Nasomi both seem to have no clue...


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 8:35 pm 
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Miku wrote:
Does anyone actually like this change? Anyone?

I've not encountered any positive feedback about this change at all. I'm not memeing, I've honestly had nothing positive said about this update.

When nobody likes it, you have to ask, why was it done?



I've asked this question at least three times now in the 30+ pages and it has not been answered.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 8:36 pm 
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Honestly everyone needs to let the dust settle and see where this ends up. Quit pestering Nab, Nab, quit responding to the same argument over and over, and just let Nas figure out which direction he wants to bring this whole situation. I'm sure his head is ringing trying to process our reaction, as I imagine it's not what he imagined. So let's see how he handles that.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 8:36 pm 
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Percival wrote:
I think i am gonna cut my losses and go to eden or something... tbh this whole update has turned me off from playing on nasomi Nabutso and Nasomi both seem to have no clue...


You don't like the in-era stuff Nas just implemented, so you're going to go to a sever where they're even more strict about era correctness, and have no content; smooth.

Skulker's cape is a thing by the way


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 8:39 pm 
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exelyon wrote:
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Yeah, it was SE's nerf, just because the numbers are switched around you feel it's any different, it isn't. But instead of us trying to convince you, why don't you convince us? Why don't you go gather 250 pages of spreadsheet data and prove to us that it's an overall buff, or at the very least not a nerf? Until then I'm convinced you are just preaching because you can't tolerate being told you are wrong.



Yep this is the problem. Not even nas has tested this enough to say it isnt a nerf. Both sides are subjectively deciding how this balances out. But we asked if it was a nerf and were told it wasnt. Next time, maybe "it's a nerf and maybe a buff to offset it." Nas can do whathe wants, and we'll react accordingly; but if youre going to make yourself his spokesperson, and you want us to listen to what you have to say, you need to do a better job, nabutso.

It's tough when nas tells me I can't be specific about it, you know.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 8:39 pm 
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Nabutso wrote:
Fidelcashflow wrote:
THIS WHOLE POST IS LITERALLY THE STUPIDEST SHIT I THINK I'VE EVER READ!!!!!!?!?!!!

You really think sneak / invis only lasted for 1-4 minutes on retail???? HOLY FUCKING SHIT... Problem solved here... Who do I need to talk to that actually knows what they are talking about.

you legitimately never touched retail in your entire life.

Every single WHM, RDM, etc, remembers casting sneak or invis and immediately seeing the "Sneak/Invis is about to wear off" message on at least one occasion.


Yeah, never ever saw that, guess I was just lucky, or maybe when I played the base duration was increased (probably this as sometime around 2009 the duration is posted as ~5mins), but I never had an instant wearing off message.

Nabutso wrote:
exelyon wrote:
Fidelcashflow wrote:
Yeah, it was SE's nerf, just because the numbers are switched around you feel it's any different, it isn't. But instead of us trying to convince you, why don't you convince us? Why don't you go gather 250 pages of spreadsheet data and prove to us that it's an overall buff, or at the very least not a nerf? Until then I'm convinced you are just preaching because you can't tolerate being told you are wrong.



Yep this is the problem. Not even nas has tested this enough to say it isnt a nerf. Both sides are subjectively deciding how this balances out. But we asked if it was a nerf and were told it wasnt. Next time, maybe "it's a nerf and maybe a buff to offset it." Nas can do whathe wants, and we'll react accordingly; but if youre going to make yourself his spokesperson, and you want us to listen to what you have to say, you need to do a better job, nabutso.

It's tough when nas tells me I can't be specific about it, you know.


Yeah, but YOU can be specific about the data YOU gather to prove everyone here wrong. Because currently it's looking bleak sir. GL to you.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 8:43 pm 
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Fidelcashflow wrote:
Nabutso wrote:
Fidelcashflow wrote:
THIS WHOLE POST IS LITERALLY THE STUPIDEST SHIT I THINK I'VE EVER READ!!!!!!?!?!!!

You really think sneak / invis only lasted for 1-4 minutes on retail???? HOLY FUCKING SHIT... Problem solved here... Who do I need to talk to that actually knows what they are talking about.

you legitimately never touched retail in your entire life.

Every single WHM, RDM, etc, remembers casting sneak or invis and immediately seeing the "Sneak/Invis is about to wear off" message on at least one occasion.


Yeah, never ever saw that, guess I was just lucky, or maybe when I played the base duration was increased (probably this as sometime around 2009 the duration is posted as ~5mins), but I never had an instant wearing off message.



One thing you need to Realize about the Sneak and Invis nerf... there are ALOT more MOBS active in Zones on this server compared to RETAIL so to nerf something like this... with the lack of playerbase to counter it is stupid just plain stupid and a complete oversight... In retail back in the day... there were more people in the zones killing mobs... so the sneak and invis duration made sense... but now with the lack of mobs killed and loaded zones... HOW THE FUCK DOES THAT MAKE SENSE TO HAVE IT THE SAME? come on now use your heads...


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 8:45 pm 
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lockecole777 wrote:
Honestly everyone needs to let the dust settle and see where this ends up. Quit pestering Nab, Nab, quit responding to the same argument over and over, and just let Nas figure out which direction he wants to bring this whole situation. I'm sure his head is ringing trying to process our reaction, as I imagine it's not what he imagined. So let's see how he handles that.



Yeah, this is fair. I just have a desire to know how much value to place in nabutso's words and his reasoning and logic behind things. Since he's the spokesperson and soon to be bug report filter.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 8:46 pm 
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Yeah, but YOU can be specific about the data YOU gather to prove everyone here wrong. Because currently it's looking bleak sir. GL to you.

That'd require playing the game and we all know I don't do that :^)

exelyon wrote:
lockecole777 wrote:
Honestly everyone needs to let the dust settle and see where this ends up. Quit pestering Nab, Nab, quit responding to the same argument over and over, and just let Nas figure out which direction he wants to bring this whole situation. I'm sure his head is ringing trying to process our reaction, as I imagine it's not what he imagined. So let's see how he handles that.



Yeah, this is fair. I just have a desire to know how much value to place in nabutso's words and his reasoning and logic behind things. Since he's the spokesperson and soon to be bug report filter.

I spoke about what I knew at the time. I've commented how the things people are experiencing are much worse than I was told. I've asked them to report those as bugs. I think that's fair. You're really not supposed to miss that much or deal 50% less damage ever.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 8:46 pm 
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RE SNK/INVIS

Sure there were resists on retail, but it was a lot more consistent for decent lands.

Its almost like we took the old BLM magic accuracy and slapped that on SNK/INVIS enhances, resisted more than they really should be.


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