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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2020 12:02 am 
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As long as he intended to kill it or alter the spawn time, he could hold it for 4 hours. Nothing about the rule says you have to intend to get loot from killing it.


Aren't BCNMs intended to last 30 minutes? It's not like you can stay in a BCNM indefinitely. So Idk why the same wouldn't apply to an OWNM? Maybe an oversight. Regardless, it's bad behavior to do so.

OWNMs aren't BCNMs. BCNM's don't all use the exact same mechanics, don't allow outside interaction, don't have 20 minute limits on getting loot.

They're NMs, as the name implies, so they follow NM rules.

I agree it's a dick move, so if you wanted to be a dick back in a way that's within the rules, go ahead. The issue is when rules start getting broken.

I don't care about the maze OWNM, but I do care about a precedent being set that it's OK to steal claim. If you're killing Nidhogg, and someone wants to get back at your LS because you did something they perceived as a dick move, do you want it to be OK for them to steal claim with this exploit in revenge? People think RFK cheats (still waiting on any evidence, much less proof of that...), should they get a pass on stealing claim on stuff we have with this exploit?

Condoning this behavior in one situation opens up a can of worms for all sorts of others.

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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2020 12:04 am 
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tucu wrote:
Those two bullet points you added are part of a list titled Disruptive Behavior.

I may be having problems with my reading comprehension but to me it seems like those bullet points are the opposite of allowed.

The whole section is prefaced with...
"Harassment and disruptive behavior are not allowed in Nasomi. These actions break the way the game is designed to be played and can result in disciplinary action. The following are examples of inappropriate behavior in Nasomi."

I honestly don't know if I'm taking crazy pills or I'm just dumb. Might be the second :(

These rules are quite explicit and easy to understand.

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"The following are examples of inappropriate behavior in Nasomi"
• Holding a Notorious Monster without intent to kill or alter spawn time while other players are waiting.


Is it inappropriate to hold an nm WITHOUT intent to kill or alter spawn time. Therefor it is appropriate to hold an NM WITH intent to kill or alter spawn times.

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• Notorious Monsters can be held a maximum of 4 hours to alter spawn times.

This just explicitly states what it states. You can hold an NM for 4 hours.

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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2020 12:16 am 
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Just forget the whole blocking path crap (it was a clutch situation and it irritated the heck out of me when these 2 appeared and it is debatable whether this was on purpose or not). I also wanted to /s and ask them to move but seconds later I died already.

I just want to share my experience with Zension and their OWNM group:
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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2020 12:18 am 
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https://imgur.com/a/FLhahtU


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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2020 12:20 am 
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https://youtu.be/-AUA_42452E

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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2020 12:27 am 
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Lol i dont see anything wrong with alex's video hows the ownm pathing these days in ordelles


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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2020 12:28 am 
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I'll always find it funny when someone blatantly cheats and then tries to blame it on someone else being an asshole in a perfectly legal manner.

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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2020 12:29 am 
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cthalupa wrote:
Libra has spent at least 20 hours of his life accusing RFK of claim botting.

Interesting how people who cheat spend so much time accusing those more successful than them of cheating. Must be because they can't imagine people being better than them without cheating too.


I lol'ed at this. You did the same thing to zigma when he started beating you.

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Didnt RFK did hide to a KB to yes? and steal it @2% or 1%?

An RFK THF got hate on KB after Yes used the zone to tank it for over an hour and a half. He used hide while KB was hitting him. If you've spent over an hour not tanking a mob, you're kinda at fault there.

RFK did not get the KB. TS claimed it and killed it.


Your THF went back to town to change to THF/WHM spammed cure3 on himself and used Hide as soon as KB turned to him. 100% with intent to steal. Fact that Yes hadn't killed it for 1h+ doesnt matter for shit. e. g. this thread.

I even saw another RFK THF trying to steal hate and flee with the KB on the same week/week after. Probably to bring it to someone that can claim it this time after Hide so you guys dont just give it to someone else ;)
But oh well no hard proof.

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What about aspid? to yes to?

RFK has never used the AoE exploit to steal a claim.

We snatched Aspids that went unclaimed twice while Yes was dealing with large amounts of adds. Shield bash was the action used to get claim for RFK in both cases.

In the first case, Yes used a sleepga on their adds and regained claim on Aspid. This is what lead me to confirm AoEs steal claim and lead to me reporting it to Nas and in the bug thread.

In the second case, we gave the Aspid back to Yes for reasons unknown to me. They've stolen Aspid from us before when it bugged and we had only 1 add with 3 parties full of 6 people, so I don't really understand why we gave it back when they screwed things up themselves. But whatever, I wasn't there, and some people are apparently nicer than I am.


I was there, that was 100% an intentional steal from RFK with 1 add brought in. Aoe'd the add to claim steal just like it in the case discussed in this thread.
It was given back because everyone present understood what had happened.

I gotta commend you guys for always comming forward in forum posts. You PR is amazing in that regard. Always ready to accuse the ones you need accused, derailing the threads that need derailing, and closing accusations againts you with facts/memes/lies. The use of the latter just doesn't sit well here.


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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2020 12:31 am 
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Alexandor wrote:
https://youtu.be/-AUA_42452E

https://youtu.be/kjKFq9w-a0c


LOLOLOLOLOL

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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2020 12:32 am 
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Frostyyy wrote:
Lol i dont see anything wrong with alex's video hows the ownm pathing these days in ordelles


It is more about standing on bones where the OWNM can not reach you with hate on it and nuking the hell out of it while Zension is weakened in 1 of the videos.
Abusing the terrain. I did warn them the other day but when you are so full of yourself you do not listen to others. After all I am the asshat who got in their way.


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