Have you heard of occam's razor?

And no - We'd all love to help do it. That's not been accepted for quite some time, and doesn't seem likely to ever be accepted again anytime in the distant future. Instead, we're left with asking Nas to take another pass at macc.

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I don't believe BLM sucked this bad, in XP parties, on retail. I've went multiple consecutive fights without an unresisted nuke, lol. That just seems over the top, man.

I get your point that tweaking things for BLM makes them OP later. I really do get that point. Maybe the INT or MDB of mobs is too high. I don't expect BLM to ever be better than a dps job.... but I'd like it to be better than an empty slot for a decent sized % of the party experience.

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What does providing a mathematical formula or two have to do coding, exactly?

I encouraged people to dig into finding out what the current formula was the old fashioned way, which might give some insight into what the nature of the discrepancy may be. I agree it would be effort that could easily be avoided if Nasomi simply gave us the formula they used, but it would at least be a start to change these sorts of threads from "it FEELS too low" and "it FEEEEEELS too high!" to actual mathematical analysis. Yet - no one seems willing to record themselves cast spells a couple hundred times to get that ball rolling.

The other solution would be to dig through old threads from niche websites. Nasomi isn't magic, it's not as if he can conjure these threads you refuse to even look for just because he's the administrator and host of a private server. Frankly if even one endgame linkshell gave enough of a shit to change the server for the better they could easily get 20 people looking in different places where Nasomi has only themselves.

What I can't stress enough is that the dynamic at play in this server between Nasomi and the Community at large is NOT the same as the dynamic between Square Enix and their playerbase. Square Enix was a games maker who was selling a product to consumers. SE had a responsibility to the people that paid them to ensure the game worked.

No one in this community is a consumer of Nasomi's product. The entire community is, at most, to be considered hobbyists and enthusiasts and Nasomi is also a hobbyist and enthusiast. From this thread alone I can safely say that none of the hobbyists who play on the server are willing to put in the work to fix this issue - yet they expect the hobbyist that runs the server to fix it? Why? Seriously - tell me why.

The formulas are a part of the code. You don’t adjust the formula then hand calculate how accurate a spell is, you adjust the formula and then playtest it. Aka run the code. They are inseparable. The formulas were designed for implementation in a coding language. When people talk about Deawing “coding” AV they are talking about this stuff.

We have told you why, numerous times. You're just ignoring the reasons why.

We don't "expect" the hobbyist to fix anything. He seems interested in fixing things, and we're requesting him fix this thing. If he made it clear he has no more interest in fixing things, we'd stop requesting them. He has said he wants a retail accurate server, so that would seem to encourage people pointing out things that are not retail accurate. This is one of those things.

As for why we aren't spending countless hours trying to reverse engineer the custom formula that Nas currently uses for macc, the answer is still as simple as the first 5 times we gave it: Because Nas doesn't give a shit. He'll change it when he sees fit, to what he seems fit. If he'd like people to do testing for him, there are literally hundreds of people (Many of which reside in the end game LS's that you like to bash) that would literally jump at the opportunity. To date, there is no reason to believe that would be time well spent.

Nas will fix magic accuracy when he feels like fixing it, just like anything else he fixes. It's a sad, but wildly accurate, state of affairs. We'd all LOVE to put in the work to fix known issues on Nas. That work is not accepted, requested, or considered. I'm sorry if that's too blunt or realistic for you, you can keep pretending it's laziness. The rest of us? We'll keep trying to be the squeaky wheel that catches Nas's attention, and along the way usually land on some hard recommendations for what he can do if he ever decides to peruse the forums and see them. That seems unlikely though.


You asking what the formulas have to do with coding is, and I mean this sincerely as I've talked to Nathano for like 4 days now, one of the dumbest things I've ever read.

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1) You conspicuously dodged the question of why you aren't willing to dig through old japanese data and at least approximate the formula.

2) "Nas will fix magic accuracy when he feels like fixing it" - To what? Something else that's incorrect? You're just shifting away culpability and making yourself out to be a victim. You keep pushing this narrative that you're powerless in the face of Nas' godlike omnipotence and then using it as an excuse to avoid putting in effort to the topic you so frequently whine about.

3) "We don't "expect" the hobbyist to fix anything. He seems interested in fixing things, and we're requesting him fix this thing." - Requesting a fix isn't... uh... do I need to explain this? Really? Requesting that someone do something isn't the same as helping them do that thing.

4) There is no "fix" until someone finds the actual ToAU formulas. Nas can buff or nerf any formula in the game blindly but it isn't fixed until it's exactly what ToAU had. Nas can buff your job so it "feels" nice to pay, but the server's goal isn't to make a remix of FFXI that feels good, but a recreation of ToAU. You're clearly not even interested in ToAU accuracy, you just want the job you play to spit out big numbers. You couldn't give a shit about the integrity of era-appropriate content as long as it's convenient for you to kill monsters.

Holy shit

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Square Enix themselves doesn't have the macc formula from ToAU era and this guy wants us to reverse engineer it without being able to collect our own data...

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this was more funny before everyone copied Kanodin

Correct. If you want to keep whining about how it's wrong, you need to provide something of substance.

I believe the phrase is put up or shut up.

If you don't want to put in the work, don't talk. If you think whining accomplishes anything, you'd probably be best leaving the server entirely.

This is.. an embarrassing lack of reading comprehension. Good luck on Nasomi.

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