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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2019 9:52 pm 
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I don't get people that have been here a week and then start going on about how the server needs to make sweeping changes.

If the server's vision isn't for you, find another server

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2019 9:54 pm 
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Miku wrote:
It'd be even harder to claim if it was ra/ex because you couldn't farm+buy it, so you'd have more comp. If you're upset because it's hard to claim, this is a terrible solution.
This is incorrect. The bcnm would have the sellable version. People will go where the gil is hence the current state. Competition isn't a bad thing. IMO it's the type of competition that matters. Sure you'll get high ups in the beginning or randomly but the majority will soon be people who are much closer to the lvl of the pc. I wouldn't say this is a solution but rather an alternative.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2019 10:01 pm 
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mello wrote:
D3vilTrigg3r wrote:
I feel you totally missed the heart of this debate.....by a mile......


I think you're missing the point of competition in videos games, specifically THIS SERVER :lol: :lol: :lol:


.....by a mile........

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2019 10:36 pm 
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Aik wrote:
But...but...my money...
It's there my man. Just in a different spot is all.
Nabutso wrote:
Even in 2008 you could more or less freely camp LL and VE because they were Rare/EX.
Either your server was dead or everyone had them. Nab it's simply supply and demand bro. This server will eventually get to that point. Do you think people will be camping LL when they are npc fodder?
Nabutso wrote:
You want that changed.
I asked and seeing as I'm new I didn't know the topic was covered.
Nabutso wrote:
reduced competition and made it a solo game
This just isn't gonna happen by making a couple nm's r/ex.
Nabutso wrote:
Not. Happening.
I got it.
mello wrote:
missing the point of competition in videos games, specifically THIS SERVER
Can you explain how claiming hnm's work here? I think I read something about them spawning randomly claimed or something in the spirit of keeping things fair and competitive.
cthalupa wrote:
guide to get Bounding boots, but apparently you do.
1/5 on bcnm of course lol.
cthalupa wrote:
been here a week and then start going on about how the server needs to make sweeping changes.
This is just a vast overstatement. I simply asked and received an answer. Why the hell is everyone getting so emotional?
cthalupa wrote:
If the server's vision isn't for you, find another server
If "No" preceeded this statement at the beginning of this thread it would've been awesome lol. I thought exchanging ideas on a forum was good communtity thing but man this stuff really is like retail lol.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2019 11:02 pm 
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The thing is, this conversation has been had before with the same arguments you're trying to make and everytime a majority seems to say keep the r/ex in bcnm.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2019 11:28 pm 
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I didn't read the entire thread, so forgive me if this has already been stated. The server originally had the R/EX versions of many of the popular NM items 4 years ago and he changed it to the current versions, so I don't think you should carry much hope of him reversing his own decision.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2019 12:42 am 
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Epyon wrote:
I didn't read the entire thread, so forgive me if this has already been stated. The server originally had the R/EX versions of many of the popular NM items 4 years ago and he changed it to the current versions, so I don't think you should carry much hope of him reversing his own decision.


i didnt played a lot back then , yet i remember tons of ppl camping VE and helping each other to get the item.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2019 12:49 am 
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D3vilTrigg3r wrote:
Can you explain how claiming hnm's work here? I think I read something about them spawning randomly claimed or something in the spirit of keeping things fair and competitive.[/quote]

Yes, manipulating competition and creating measures to avoid EXPLOITING are two different things.

Nasomi uses auto-claim spawn to get rid of potential exploits on HNMs and NMs with really long spawn times and very valuable items that could ruin the economy and waste dozens of hours of people trying to get the item without exploiting. Nas has been running this server for YEARS, you've been here for DAYS... Things are they way they are for a reason.

Either it's something he put there on purpose, or something he hasn't gotten to yet.

(caps just for emphasis, not being aggressive or anything)

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2019 4:54 am 
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mello wrote:

Yes, manipulating competition and creating measures to avoid EXPLOITING are two different things.

Nasomi uses auto-claim spawn to get rid of potential exploits on HNMs and NMs with really long spawn times and very valuable items that could ruin the economy and waste dozens of hours of people trying to get the item without exploiting. Nas has been running this server for YEARS, you've been here for DAYS... Things are they way they are for a reason.

Either it's something he put there on purpose, or something he hasn't gotten to yet.

(caps just for emphasis, not being aggressive or anything)



Just to play devil's advocate, the swap of r/e versions of items to open world mobs in part was to address exploitation. Ground kings weren't the only things botted back in the day. So why leave Argus, Mee Deggi, and other NMs available to such exploitation? Just because it hasn't happened yet (to our knowledge at least)?

You say Nas has run this server for years, it's also arguable that SE ran many of this server for as many years. There's a reason R/E versions of items were put on open world NMs. It solved a problem that seems to not have reared it's head here. Yet. But how long until it shows up? We already have RMT banning on an almost nightly basis.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2019 7:15 am 
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D3vilTrigg3r wrote:
Aik wrote:
But...but...my money...
It's there my man. Just in a different spot is all.


Um...my main source of income is VE lol

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