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 Post subject: Re: Crafting Currently
PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2018 2:08 pm 
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idk about for you but for me this era was dominated by the widely held belief that moon/day/directions all had a role in crafting and belief shapes reality so for that to be true here on nasomi does not detract from the era experience for me at all and only enhances my enjoyment by adding complexity to what would otherwise be a bland and boring system like WoW's crafting


some eras were dominated by believing the world was flat. That didn't make the world flat. You can still believe in myths all you want, I prefer the game to not be controlled by them. Again, just a personal belief.


Just so you understand, Wolf, why some of us hate this change so much. We didn't create this system. We got to know it and learned it because it was the system in place. It was fun. You could hit strong versions of tiers and weak versions. There was meaning to everything you did. And you planned out your crafting to go along with the moon phases that you needed. The way those moon phases gave boosts to tiers certainly could've been toned down for sure. When t2s could reach near 50%, that may have been a bit much. I made 6 royal cloaks in a row one day. That's kinda silly. The entire system didn't need gutting though. There was thinking and math involved and if you did it right and didn't get very unlucky, it worked. I played retail for a little less than a year. The popular HQ items were harshly priced and if you didn't want to spend every waking moment making gil, you just had to settle with nq everything pretty much. I didn't like retail. That's probably why I played there less than a year.

I don't understand people who want specific things on this server to be just like retail when there are so many aspects of it that clearly aren't. We have bcnm drops sitting on wyverns that level cap you if you agro them. We have sack, satchel and case. We have blue portals that nasomi can activate to port us anywhere he wants us to gather. We have chat/iri staves and no city tax in lower jeuno. We're allowed to have 3 characters logged in at once. We have akamochi and fruit parfaits. We have so many things that make this server way more enjoyable than retail. That beautiful crafting system was one of them. It made HQ items attainable. Not easy. Attainable. This new system is going to create much much much higher prices for those of us that like HQ items.

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 Post subject: Re: Crafting Currently
PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2018 2:24 pm 
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Aeroo wrote:
Wolffhardt wrote:
dimitri wrote:
idk about for you but for me this era was dominated by the widely held belief that moon/day/directions all had a role in crafting and belief shapes reality so for that to be true here on nasomi does not detract from the era experience for me at all and only enhances my enjoyment by adding complexity to what would otherwise be a bland and boring system like WoW's crafting


some eras were dominated by believing the world was flat. That didn't make the world flat. You can still believe in myths all you want, I prefer the game to not be controlled by them. Again, just a personal belief.


Just so you understand, Wolf, why some of us hate this change so much. We didn't create this system. We got to know it and learned it because it was the system in place. It was fun. You could hit strong versions of tiers and weak versions. There was meaning to everything you did. And you planned out your crafting to go along with the moon phases that you needed. The way those moon phases gave boosts to tiers certainly could've been toned down for sure. When t2s could reach near 50%, that may have been a bit much. I made 6 royal cloaks in a row one day. That's kinda silly. The entire system didn't need gutting though. There was thinking and math involved and if you did it right and didn't get very unlucky, it worked. I played retail for a little less than a year. The popular HQ items were harshly priced and if you didn't want to spend every waking moment making gil, you just had to settle with nq everything pretty much. I didn't like retail. That's probably why I played there less than a year.

I don't understand people who want specific things on this server to be just like retail when there are so many aspects of it that clearly aren't. We have bcnm drops sitting on wyverns that level cap you if you agro them. We have sack, satchel and case. We have blue portals that nasomi can activate to port us anywhere he wants us to gather. We have chat/iri staves and no city tax in lower jeuno. We're allowed to have 3 characters logged in at once. We have akamochi and fruit parfaits. PW is laughably killable and we have fresh 75 sams rocking hachi bodies and nanas. We have so many things that make this server way more enjoyable than retail. That beautiful crafting system was one of them. It made HQ items attainable. Not easy. Attainable. This new system is going to create much much much higher prices for those of us that like HQ items.


Hi Aeroo - I apologize if it seemed like I didn’t understand the benefits of the system. I do, I enjoyed cheaper HQ items too obviously. I was looking forward to crafting, like I mentioned, and now will probably not bother. That bums me out. I sympathize with people that got used to the system, or did things and spent time doing things because of the way the system was and now that was wasted. I’m sorry if it seemed like I didn’t.

My only point was that while Nasomi isn’t a perfect era match, we are playing here and it’s so popular because of the ways it is like the era we all loved. Those things you mentioned that aren’t.. are QOL of things done to make the game feel like era in lieu of being able to actually do it (OWNM’s specifically), or things that haven’t been coded yet to work properly (PW among others). My point was... when Nas manages to get another part of the game closer to retail, people shouldn’t complain and wish he didn’t. He’s made it clear that was his goal. Yeah, he’s given things like Chat and food and extra inventory space. That doesn’t mean he’s obligated to keep those things, or other things not like retail when he figures out how to do it better, in his mind. I liked the old system too, especially as someone who wasn’t crafting. I just don’t think we should complain when a server with a stated purpose makes another advancement towards that stated purpose. That’s all. I hope everyone keeps crafting, and charges fair profits for their hard work. It’s cool to see all the research. Thanks for the thoughtful response, man.

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 Post subject: Re: Crafting Currently
PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2018 5:36 pm 
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Easy HQs using a fake crafting system isn't the same as inventory space, chat/iri staves, etc.

The point is that crafting was always meant to be retail accurate. It wasn't intended to be easier to HQ than retail. It was NOT a "QoL" change to have crafting be the way it was.

Perhaps 5 years of AH data, SE saying it never worked that way, and tons of new players confused as why the crafting follows this weird non existent system (Moon % doesn't even show up in the JP client, LOL), finally convinced nas that the system wasn't retail accurate.

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 Post subject: Re: Crafting Currently
PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2018 6:17 pm 
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Nabutso wrote:
I hate fun.


I know.

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 Post subject: Re: Crafting Currently
PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2018 6:29 pm 
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Aeroo wrote:
Nabutso wrote:
I hate fun.


I know.



this got me to laugh out loud

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 Post subject: Re: Crafting Currently
PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2018 7:02 pm 
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Not gonna be laughing for long if you continue to try to harass me, aeroo. your shell has been told time and time again, yet you cant restrain yourself.

making up a quote and attributing it to me and placing it in your sig, are you 4? You're going to remove that quote from your sig, unless you want to have issues - both with your shell, which has told you to stop, and nas, who has told your shell to stop.

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 Post subject: Re: Crafting Currently
PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2018 7:10 pm 
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Not gonna be laughing for long if you continue to try to harass me, aeroo. your shell has been told time and time again, yet you cant restrain yourself.

making up a quote and attributing it to me and placing it in your sig, are you 4? You're going to remove that quote from your sig, unless you want to have issues - both with your shell, which has told you to stop, and nas, who has told your shell to stop.


Noone's harassing you. You reply to anything and everything. Noone makes you do that. That's all you. And you're so incredibly condescending about it each time so that invites replies back. I made a fun joke because I'm extremely frustrated that a system I've been using for a year and a half has been turned on its head and broken and you're happy about it. Wolf appreciated the joke. Maybe you should lighten up. Or you can go keep pretending you have some sort of admin power around here.

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 Post subject: Re: Crafting Currently
PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2018 7:14 pm 
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Sorry, but putting words into my mouth and broadcasting them to everyone isn't just "anything and everything".

If you think that providing data and discussing a topic is condescending, maybe you're the one who replies to "anything and everything" thinking that you're being harassed.

You are literally part of a LS that goes out of their way to harass me. From sexually suggestive in game /tells, lying about my characters and reporting them, emoting negatively in town as i walk by, specifically choosing my items on AH to undercut, you and your shell has done it all. Maybe this is not organized and maybe it's not a shell created to do these things, but individually, these things have been done by TS. Though, you in particular seem to be the only one these days. See how long you last in that shell if you continue to do what they told you not to do. At least everyone else can get over the past and grow up.

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 Post subject: Re: Crafting Currently
PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2018 7:17 pm 
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Nabutso wrote:
Sorry, but putting words into my mouth and broadcasting them to everyone isn't just "anything and everything".

If you think that providing data and discussing a topic is condescending, maybe you're the one who replies to "anything and everything" thinking that you're being harassed.

You are literally part of a LS that goes out of their way to harass me. From sexually suggestive in game /tells, lying about my characters and reporting them, emoting negatively in town as i walk by, specifically choosing my items on AH to undercut, you and your shell has done it all. Maybe this is not organized and maybe it's not a shell created to do these things, but individually, these things have been done by TS. Though, you in particular seem to be the only one these days. See how long you last in that shell if you continue to do what they told you not to do. At least everyone else can get over the past and grow up.


lol

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 Post subject: Re: Crafting Currently
PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2018 7:41 pm 
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This thread became fun.

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