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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 6:28 pm 
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I think going on a tangential debate for 2 pages about the nature of skill in video games in a thread started to discuss pacifism roleplaying on Nasomi is a form of skill.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 6:30 pm 
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I was just circling back to point out that this was, without a doubt, one of the dumbest threads I've ever seen make it to 5+ pages

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...TopShelf told Nas to roll back all your ZNM gear, do the gilpocalypse and nerf Fishing/RNG into the ground.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:16 pm 
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Tactical strategy is an oxymoron.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:29 pm 
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Steena, I really don't understand you what so ever. You played on this server for a few months, played corsair only and killed a couple nidhoggs and decided you beat the game. All of that is perfectly fine. But to come shit on this game constantly calling it easy when you never tanked anything or even played a support job that required you doing more than 2 rolls that last 6 minutes is kind of ridiculous. I understand your criticisms of nasomis management of the server and what things he chooses to work on. Everyone has their issues with that and were all often baffled by the choices made. But you have an extra level hatred in your tone and to insult everyone who does enjoy the game and server despite the issues just seems unnecessary. I guess it's fun to just come shit on people because you feel better than the whole thing? I'd respect the opinion more if I saw you play a job that had the least built of responsibility involved but all you did was come get carried through a few hnm kills and quit. You didn't do sea, you didn't low man hold any wyrms. You didn't solo any mini ground kings. You didn't attempt anything challenging at all.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:33 pm 
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Steena wrote:
lockecole777 wrote:
You say a game has no skill, and then go and pat yourself on the back for something you claim to have figured the strategy out to (that BCNM doesnt have magic resist btw, as BLMs do it easily, and so does NIN/RDM).

No one is redefining skill, we're redefining what your opinion of skill is. By your definition a chess player who's spent years honing his craft and acquiring knowledge on the game isn't skilled.


You miss the mark again my friend. When nasomi released the BCNM on this server it they eyes DID have higher magic resist than retail. So, you are already wrong. Plus the point was I could come up with something possibly related to THE definition of skill when all you spoke of was archiving knowledge.

skill (skĭl)►
n. Proficiency, facility, or dexterity that is acquired or developed through training or experience. See Synonyms at ability.
n. An art, trade, or technique, particularly one requiring use of the hands or body.
n. A developed talent or ability: writing skills.

A chess player cultivates tactical strategy. An FFXI player cultivates... reading and comprehension skills? A minority of players critical thinking skills?

So the only skill yall have even established here are what? Trial and Error Skills? Archiving skills? Reading and comprehension skills... which seem to be very lacking in this community?


Hey buddy, you just used the word "skill" three times to describe a game in your defense that said game requires no skill. For someone who enjoys arguing on the internet so much, you'd think you'd be better at it, pal.

P.S. Pre-utsusemi icon change where you had to count shadows in your head while prepping millisecond windows of Ichi canceling for 2+hours at a time was harder mechanically than anything UO's shitty UI and gameplay could ever compare to.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:39 pm 
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Steena, I really don't understand you what so ever. You played on this server for a few months, played corsair only and killed a couple nidhoggs and decided you beat the game. All of that is perfectly fine. But to come shit on this game constantly calling it easy when you never tanked anything or even played a support job that required you doing more than 2 rolls that last 6 minutes is kind of ridiculous. I understand your criticisms of nasomis management of the server and what things he chooses to work on. Everyone has their issues with that and were all often baffled by the choices made. But you have an extra level hatred in your tone and to insult everyone who does enjoy the game and server despite the issues just seems unnecessary. I guess it's fun to just come shit on people because you feel better than the whole thing? I'd respect the opinion more if I saw you play a job that had the least built of responsibility involved but all you did was come get carried through a few hnm kills and quit. You didn't do sea, you didn't low man hold any wyrms. You didn't solo any mini ground kings. You didn't attempt anything challenging at all.



I was going to also point out that maybe people would find something not very challenging if they just never attempted any of the challenging parts of the game, but I honestly don't remember Steena from when he was playing.. Just now that he, for some reason, trolls a forum for a game that he doesn't play and doesn't particularly think is all that challenging.

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...TopShelf told Nas to roll back all your ZNM gear, do the gilpocalypse and nerf Fishing/RNG into the ground.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:49 pm 
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Aeroo wrote:
Steena, I really don't understand you what so ever. You played on this server for a few months, played corsair only and killed a couple nidhoggs and decided you beat the game. All of that is perfectly fine. But to come shit on this game constantly calling it easy when you never tanked anything or even played a support job that required you doing more than 2 rolls that last 6 minutes is kind of ridiculous. I understand your criticisms of nasomis management of the server and what things he chooses to work on. Everyone has their issues with that and were all often baffled by the choices made. But you have an extra level hatred in your tone and to insult everyone who does enjoy the game and server despite the issues just seems unnecessary. I guess it's fun to just come shit on people because you feel better than the whole thing? I'd respect the opinion more if I saw you play a job that had the least built of responsibility involved but all you did was come get carried through a few hnm kills and quit. You didn't do sea, you didn't low man hold any wyrms. You didn't solo any mini ground kings. You didn't attempt anything challenging at all.


Just because you saw me at faffy on cor doesnt mean thats all I did, but ok.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:56 pm 
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lockecole777 wrote:
Hey buddy, you just used the word "skill" three times to describe a game in your defense that said game requires no skill. For someone who enjoys arguing on the internet so much, you'd think you'd be better at it, pal.


And you derail conversations when you can't think of a reasonable point to make. We all have our flaws I guess. OP is long gone by now anyways. I honestly just came to give my 2 cents since everyone was shitting on him but whatever.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:57 pm 
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Steena wrote:
Aeroo wrote:
Steena, I really don't understand you what so ever. You played on this server for a few months, played corsair only and killed a couple nidhoggs and decided you beat the game. All of that is perfectly fine. But to come shit on this game constantly calling it easy when you never tanked anything or even played a support job that required you doing more than 2 rolls that last 6 minutes is kind of ridiculous. I understand your criticisms of nasomis management of the server and what things he chooses to work on. Everyone has their issues with that and were all often baffled by the choices made. But you have an extra level hatred in your tone and to insult everyone who does enjoy the game and server despite the issues just seems unnecessary. I guess it's fun to just come shit on people because you feel better than the whole thing? I'd respect the opinion more if I saw you play a job that had the least built of responsibility involved but all you did was come get carried through a few hnm kills and quit. You didn't do sea, you didn't low man hold any wyrms. You didn't solo any mini ground kings. You didn't attempt anything challenging at all.


Just because you saw me at faffy on cor doesnt mean thats all I did, but ok.


I also used to see you hang in town on your shitty warrior.
Well have you tanked anything significant?
Have you solod simurgh, roc, ka?
Have you solo'd sky triggers?
Have you taken a craft even past 60?
Have you solod Suzy?
Have you held tiamat or jorm in a low man situation?
Have you even killed tiamat or jorm? Vrtra?
Do you even know how to work a resistance set?
You tank khim while your brds struggle to land elegy?
Did you do the Maat fight as a 66 brd or rng?
Did you ever come up with an idea or a new strategy for anything?
Did you tank AV and hold it down steadily while damaging it for 2 hours?
Can you name even one impressive thing you've done on this game?

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:02 pm 
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The only things that are remotely difficult about this game:
(1) bugs and glitches,
(2) relationships,
(3) time and logistics.

Every worthwhile achievement here is the result of a combination of the above three factors.


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