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 Post subject: Re: OWNM Respawn Timers
PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 5:58 pm 
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Shambles wrote:
In this thread we learned that "Rome wasn't built in a day". But you guys went from a nearly 0% claim rate to a nearly 100% claim rate overnight. :roll:

And let's not forget all the times you crashed the zone on us, slept a crab near the main kiting path, or pulled only half the adds so they'd respawn on us midfight - fully knowing we'd get claim and you wouldn't, so you just stayed there to grief us.

Please enlighten me as to how your group (and you, specifically, Zigma) went from being outclaimed 99% of the time to claiming 99% of the time overnight.

I hope Nas looks into this and throws you in Mordion, where you belong. Try and crash that zone then, see what happens.



Come on ... now you're just trying to bait me back into a thread that is now on life support ... absolutely no concrete or legitimate evidence from anything you are saying other than hearsay.
I've never crashed a zone on you, or anyone, ever. Let me repeat and make it an actual, and more importantly, factual statement. I've never crashed a zone, period. I also sure as hell never once crashed the zone on you guys down there, period. As a matter of fact, there has never been a crash that ever came directly from me when you all competed against us.

If I recall, the only time there was ever a chance of a crash in Canal ... is when we unfortunately ran out of time and we gracefully gave you the OWNM. During this time, I recall communicating a message in shout, letting you all know there is a chance it may crash the zone as we're giving up the claim and attempting to do a graceful hand over. Hell, I've personally been responsible for giving you all the OWNM a handful of times when we've been able to kill it but have run out of time to get any meaningful drops. Again, not once, not twice, but a handful of times. You've all have never shown that type of sportsmanship and kind demeanor. So, who's the bad guy? Me? because it is coming from you? Okay. No problem. Let the record show that you strongly believe I am a bad guy and a cheater.

Now we've, as a matter of fact and because we want to show good sportsmanship, from the very beginning, have never killed an OWNM out of spite when we've hit the timer threshold ... just so the other party cannot have it. It just does not make any sense. We've done it a handful of times -- not just once in Canal, and significantly more with other OWNMs, not just your group. You guys on the other hand ... have never shown good sportsmanship ... No. You all have wiped more times than I can count. Wiping is part of the game; the rest are decisions you all make for one reason or another. I do not judge.

So yeah, Let Nas do what he believes if fair. I strongly believe that he sees everything and has made decisions, past present and future, that are fair for all. I also know it is not an easy thing to keep everyone happy. The unfortunate truth is that if auto-claim is introduced, you all will start showing up with 36 people deep. You all want a change because it’s not that you’re not able to get claim, it’s because you’re not getting claim. Because someone has lower latency. I do not control the fact that I have ridiculous low latency.

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 Post subject: Re: OWNM Respawn Timers
PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 6:00 pm 
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Zigma wrote:
Because someone has lower latency. I do not control the fact that I have ridiculous low latency.


How can you say this with a straight face after being one of the vocal people saying SE needs to change how king claims worked on retail in the early days of JP dominance?


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 Post subject: Re: OWNM Respawn Timers
PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 6:07 pm 
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Zigma wrote:
Let me repeat and make it an actual, and more importantly, factual statement. I've never crashed a zone, period. I also sure as hell never once crashed the zone on you guys down there, period. As a matter of fact, there has never been a crash that ever came directly from me when you all competed against us.


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 Post subject: Re: OWNM Respawn Timers
PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 6:27 pm 
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shnewkoms wrote:
Shambles wrote:
In this thread we learned that "Rome wasn't built in a day". But you guys went from a nearly 0% claim rate to a nearly 100% claim rate overnight. :roll:

And let's not forget all the times you crashed the zone on us, slept a crab near the main kiting path, or pulled only half the adds so they'd respawn on us midfight - fully knowing we'd get claim and you wouldn't, so you just stayed there to grief us.

Please enlighten me as to how your group (and you, specifically, Zigma) went from being outclaimed 99% of the time to claiming 99% of the time overnight.

I hope Nas looks into this and throws you in Mordion, where you belong. Try and crash that zone then, see what happens.


This statement highlights the real reason why this post was made. RFK by their own admission has had kraken club claim 99% of the time. How did you do that??? Multiple ls’s have tried to compete against them for this ownm. Virtues showed up and got outclaimed consistently so they stopped coming, Fortune showed up and got outclaimed consistently so they stopped coming but when NasBrewMeisters showed up they actually started beating RFK in the claim. Not 100% of the time as they are saying but we were winning overall. We noticed they started to send their newer members to fill the ranks and we only had to outclaim 1-2 of their guys to our 3-4 claimers and they had a really embarrassing wipe to the ownm when it was at 2% left and afterwards they took a break from showing up. Now they hardly ever show up.

There was usually at least 1 top shelf member that would come with them to the ownm consistently and others that would assist sporadically. So we know they have ties with topshelf who originally made this thread to suggest that the ownm be changed to a strategy that would greatly benefit a larger ls like their friends in RFK. The bias is obvious and I hope nasomi can see that this recommendation comes at a time when someone else is beating them in the content that has been beneficial to only them for a long time until recently. I know it’s been said already but I wanted to reiterate that OWNM content is a placeholder for BCNM’s. Why ask nas to spend time changing something when that time could be spent fixing bcnm content. Once that happens this whole conversation is irrelevant. You guys never had a problem with the content until the content didn’t benefit you. Instead of a legitimate suggestion it’s just rfk tears in disquise.


fwiw cm and nova beat us many times, virtue are just retarded (lol no thf) and fortune dont know how to claim. Most of the time no one came down during the summer, it was sometimes rough even finding people to go down at eu times.

Yeah some people have suspicions 1-2 of you bot, but thats all it is, you're not chinese so i wouldnt worry about a ban anytime soon. I suppose it's possible you started claiming with rekuzas macro or its the 200$ keyboards xD, funny enough we think enter spamming is better. People have taken breaks lately because they don't wanna go down unless we have a fast claimer, the 2% was also the last day of infils holiday, so yeah.

The top shelf stuff is kinda retarded, we hardly have any topshelf people come down lol, aero would come down if he was free and we really needed a thf, he doesnt need the club nor the gil.

Funny enough we think numu is faster then zigma x.x

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 Post subject: Re: OWNM Respawn Timers
PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 6:28 pm 
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Zigma wrote:
Shambles wrote:
In this thread we learned that "Rome wasn't built in a day". But you guys went from a nearly 0% claim rate to a nearly 100% claim rate overnight. :roll:

And let's not forget all the times you crashed the zone on us, slept a crab near the main kiting path, or pulled only half the adds so they'd respawn on us midfight - fully knowing we'd get claim and you wouldn't, so you just stayed there to grief us.

Please enlighten me as to how your group (and you, specifically, Zigma) went from being outclaimed 99% of the time to claiming 99% of the time overnight.

I hope Nas looks into this and throws you in Mordion, where you belong. Try and crash that zone then, see what happens.



Come on ... now you're just trying to bait me back into a thread that is now on life support ... absolutely no concrete or legitimate evidence from anything you are saying other than hearsay.
I've never crashed a zone on you, or anyone, ever. Let me repeat and make it an actual, and more importantly, factual statement. I've never crashed a zone, period. I also sure as hell never once crashed the zone on you guys down there, period. As a matter of fact, there has never been a crash that ever came directly from me when you all competed against us.

If I recall, the only time there was ever a chance of a crash in Canal ... is when we unfortunately ran out of time and we gracefully gave you the OWNM. During this time, I recall communicating a message in shout, letting you all know there is a chance it may crash the zone as we're giving up the claim and attempting to do a graceful hand over. Hell, I've personally been responsible for giving you all the OWNM a handful of times when we've been able to kill it but have run out of time to get any meaningful drops. Again, not once, not twice, but a handful of times. You've all have never shown that type of sportsmanship and kind demeanor. So, who's the bad guy? Me? because it is coming from you? Okay. No problem. Let the record show that you strongly believe I am a bad guy and a cheater.

Now we've, as a matter of fact and because we want to show good sportsmanship, from the very beginning, have never killed an OWNM out of spite when we've hit the timer threshold ... just so the other party cannot have it. It just does not make any sense. We've done it a handful of times -- not just once in Canal, and significantly more with other OWNMs, not just your group. You guys on the other hand ... have never shown good sportsmanship ... No. You all have wiped more times than I can count. Wiping is part of the game; the rest are decisions you all make for one reason or another. I do not judge.

So yeah, Let Nas do what he believes if fair. I strongly believe that he sees everything and has made decisions, past present and future, that are fair for all. I also know it is not an easy thing to keep everyone happy. The unfortunate truth is that if auto-claim is introduced, you all will start showing up with 36 people deep. You all want a change because it’s not that you’re not able to get claim, it’s because you’re not getting claim. Because someone has lower latency. I do not control the fact that I have ridiculous low latency.


I think he was talking about numu crashing the zone 3 times lol not you, you know the night you dropped their pearl xD

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 Post subject: Re: OWNM Respawn Timers
PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 7:03 pm 
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It was definitely a plural you more aimed at Numu about the zone crash.

You still haven't explained how you went Ultra Instinct overnight. Like Tristt said, Nova and CM beat us plenty of times fair and square, but you never did. What changed?

I don't give a shit about auto claim, I don't care if we get outclaimed legitimately. I care you have the audacity to blatantly cheat and talk shit afterwards. You're like the rank 1 noob with an underleveled subjob full of +1 and +2 gear in the dunes swearing you don't RMT. Get out.

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 Post subject: Re: OWNM Respawn Timers
PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 7:08 pm 
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Shambles wrote:
It was definitely a plural you more aimed at Numu about the zone crash.

You still haven't explained how you went Ultra Instinct overnight. Like Tristt said, Nova and CM beat us plenty of times fair and square, but you never did. What changed?

I don't give a shit about auto claim, I don't care if we get outclaimed legitimately. I care you have the audacity to blatantly cheat and talk shit afterwards. You're like the rank 1 noob with an underleveled subjob full of +1 and +2 gear in the dunes swearing you don't RMT. Get out.


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 Post subject: Re: OWNM Respawn Timers
PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 7:13 pm 
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Shambles wrote:
It was definitely a plural you more aimed at Numu about the zone crash.

You still haven't explained how you went Ultra Instinct overnight. Like Tristt said, Nova and CM beat us plenty of times fair and square, but you never did. What changed?

I don't give a shit about auto claim, I don't care if we get outclaimed legitimately. I care you have the audacity to blatantly cheat and talk shit afterwards. You're like the rank 1 noob with an underleveled subjob full of +1 and +2 gear in the dunes swearing you don't RMT. Get out.


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 Post subject: Re: OWNM Respawn Timers
PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 7:34 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: OWNM Respawn Timers
PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 7:43 pm 
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Trist wrote:
shnewkoms wrote:
Shambles wrote:
In this thread we learned that "Rome wasn't built in a day". But you guys went from a nearly 0% claim rate to a nearly 100% claim rate overnight. :roll:

And let's not forget all the times you crashed the zone on us, slept a crab near the main kiting path, or pulled only half the adds so they'd respawn on us midfight - fully knowing we'd get claim and you wouldn't, so you just stayed there to grief us.

Please enlighten me as to how your group (and you, specifically, Zigma) went from being outclaimed 99% of the time to claiming 99% of the time overnight.

I hope Nas looks into this and throws you in Mordion, where you belong. Try and crash that zone then, see what happens.


This statement highlights the real reason why this post was made. RFK by their own admission has had kraken club claim 99% of the time. How did you do that??? Multiple ls’s have tried to compete against them for this ownm. Virtues showed up and got outclaimed consistently so they stopped coming, Fortune showed up and got outclaimed consistently so they stopped coming but when NasBrewMeisters showed up they actually started beating RFK in the claim. Not 100% of the time as they are saying but we were winning overall. We noticed they started to send their newer members to fill the ranks and we only had to outclaim 1-2 of their guys to our 3-4 claimers and they had a really embarrassing wipe to the ownm when it was at 2% left and afterwards they took a break from showing up. Now they hardly ever show up.

There was usually at least 1 top shelf member that would come with them to the ownm consistently and others that would assist sporadically. So we know they have ties with topshelf who originally made this thread to suggest that the ownm be changed to a strategy that would greatly benefit a larger ls like their friends in RFK. The bias is obvious and I hope nasomi can see that this recommendation comes at a time when someone else is beating them in the content that has been beneficial to only them for a long time until recently. I know it’s been said already but I wanted to reiterate that OWNM content is a placeholder for BCNM’s. Why ask nas to spend time changing something when that time could be spent fixing bcnm content. Once that happens this whole conversation is irrelevant. You guys never had a problem with the content until the content didn’t benefit you. Instead of a legitimate suggestion it’s just rfk tears in disquise.


fwiw cm and nova beat us many times, virtue are just retarded (lol no thf) and fortune dont know how to claim. Most of the time no one came down during the summer, it was sometimes rough even finding people to go down at eu times.

Yeah some people have suspicions 1-2 of you bot, but thats all it is, you're not chinese so i wouldnt worry about a ban anytime soon. I suppose it's possible you started claiming with rekuzas macro or its the 200$ keyboards xD, funny enough we think enter spamming is better. People have taken breaks lately because they don't wanna go down unless we have a fast claimer, the 2% was also the last day of infils holiday, so yeah.

The top shelf stuff is kinda retarded, we hardly have any topshelf people come down lol, aero would come down if he was free and we really needed a thf, he doesnt need the club nor the gil.

Funny enough we think numu is faster then zigma x.x


You guys stopped coming because we were outclaiming but it never was us just coming to canal and every time we are there we win. You’re exaggerating that to make us look guilty of cheating but the reality is that the more we would win the claim the newer the members got and the more prominent claimers stopped showing up consistently. At that point we started winning much more often. Nothing was 0% to 100%. If it was then how did we watch you wipe at 2%? You can’t win if your claimers don’t show up. You blatantly calling people retarded and saying another ls doesn’t know how to claim makes it more obvious that you guys have big egos and right now they are bruised. Those tears have led to you complaining enough to get your friends in topshelf to post this biased suggestion. No one came down over the summer for the same reason you guys aren’t now but none of those guys cried to nasomi that the content should be changed to benefit them which is what is happening here.

I never said you had a lot of TS people. I don’t think it’s retarded to say that you had 1 consistent TS member helping you when you then admit that one of their members and the original poster of this thread has helped you on the ownm. The statement that aero would come down and help you (RFK) and only you makes my point. This thread is a biased suggestion that favors his friends over others. The “Nas whisperer” has skin in the game for his buddies and I’m saying that based off of what you have admitted has happened in the past. The idea that he doesn’t need the gil or the item doesn’t matter because this is a social game. People do content with others with no chance of benefit to themselves in terms of gil or loot all the time in this game. People succeed much more if they have friends that help them progress. By what you said, you have one of those friends (Aero) and now that same guy wants to make a suggestion that is biased and helps RFK. It’s important that people know this suggestion isn’t based on what the community wants but what RFK wants.

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