Starbright wrote:
Heerohimura wrote:
Starbright wrote:
This won't surprise Deft, cause I already told him... but a few thoughts.
1. Not waiting in the line everyone else is, and just entering as someone else is going in that did wait in the line everyone else is waiting in, is basically the exact same thing as entering on someone already in progress lol. That other group feels they are "entitled" to the zone, because they waited in line.. and you said nope, I'm going to force you to share it with us. Now.. I don't have a problem with you doing this, as you know, as I basically don't have a problem with anyone doing anything.
2. Getting a non-response or a trolling answer on dyna burns isn't really the same as not getting a response on a dyna clear zone. Were Rob and Str dicks for entering a run already in progress? Sure. Definitely. Was Heero a dick for not just answering a completely normal question so that another group can plan their night? Sure. Definitely.
If you're going to play stupid games (not just tell a dude how long you're in the zone), sometimes you're going to win stupid prizes (sharing attestations with another group). If you don't want to take the L when you troll someone, and they troll you harder... I'd suggest you sit out the trolling game. Making a forum post is embarassing.
As stated before, they were perfectly aware how much time we actually had in there, long before they entered. But chose to enter anyway.
"Getting a non-response or a trolling answer on dyna burns isn't really the same as not getting a response on a dyna clear zone". -- Elaborate. Because a response was given. And after that response was given, a more accurate response was relayed.
"If you don't want to take the L when you troll someone, and they troll you harder... I'd suggest you sit out the trolling game. Making a forum post is embarassing." -- By your logic, if you were to put sand in my shoe, it'd be liable merit for me to make your wife say my name, and you'd be perfectly ok with it. You don't pull a gun on someone when they punch you in the face and then back up to let you gather yourself. All that tells me is that you can't handle yours and that you're a coward. There's certain things you just don't do, out of principle.
As previously stated, "Trolling or not it's irrelevant. You don't enter someone elses run regardless if they have 3 hours left or 15 minutes".
And let me remind, this forum post was only made because the LS leaders in which these individuals reside in, chose to turn a blind eye to this behavior.
Accountability.
It seems like the forum post was made because someone thought they’d be able to fuck with another group and troll them a bit, and then that group decided they’d go ahead and run their content anyways instead of just letting another group fuck with them with no repercussions.
Yes, I realize their LS leaders got a legit answer about how much time was left in Dyna after they complained about you guys being assholes. Their leaders had to take time of out of their day to ask your group how much time you had left, and then relay that information, because you all couldn’t just answer a question.
Like I said... if you want to fuck with someone and have fun at someone else’s expense... I’d take the L when they make you regret it.
And no, I don’t know Str or Rob whatsoever. I just think they realized that someone was being a dick, and that they could just go ahead and do their run if someone can’t even have the slightest amount of decency to tell them how much time they have.
By all means, if someone trolls you, you should troll them back. I don’t think any of us have an issue with that. But meet fire with fire. I’ll point to the examples I used previously with the sand in the shoe and a gun to a fist fight, as you gave me no responses to them. I’m trying to get a better understanding of your logic here, so that communication can be had more effectively. I don’t know how many times I have to repeat myself, that in no situation is it ever ok to go in on top of someone elses run & intentionally try to steal their attestation mobs. Highlighting & emphasizing stealing of attestation mobs. Lets not forget why we’re here. As, yourself and a few others have done a great job at derailing the topic at hand for multiple pages. Dynamis Beaucdine has a max allotted time of 3 hours & 30 minutes with all TEs included. Even if 4 hours was told, it wasn’t a far cry from how long we were going to have left in there, considering we had just entered not 20-30 minutes ago. Simply put, we were implying that we were going to be in the zone for a while. Also note the screenshot that HxH posted on page 2 of the thread. Here, it shows Diaper saying 3:45 left.
Let me note, as you can reference the screenshots & timestamps, that Str quickly became hostile with threats of entry. After the initial response of “4 hours was the answer I got” in the specific /t to myself, his follow up /t not even 2 minutes later was “Maybe we’ll come inside, screw it”. He could’ve easily just said “Haha no seriously how much time do yall have remaining”? or something along those lines, as an immediate follow-up /t to my initial response. Just as I per say, could have initially said “We have over 3 hours left”, fair enough. He did not however. Str’s follow up to me in specific was in the form of a threat. Someone who wanted to cause problems. Not someone who wanted a more accurate (if you can call chopping off 20-30 minutes in a 3:30 hour zone ‘more accurate’) window of time. Now, lets also note, however I will not linger on this one long because I do not have screenshots to provide for this one, but at this same time, you also have Frankx who is sending /t’s to people inside the zone, talking all sorts of nonsense. I can’t and wont speak on if Rob was sending /t’s as well, as I did not have any members openly state that he was.
Lets take what was just stated above and address the LS leaders comment you wrote. Now clearly, this was being openly talked about in the LS of Str, Rob & Frankx(? Not sure if we confirmed that he’s currently MF or not) as it was unfolding. So, everyone was there to see it. This also means that everyone, including the leaders, openly knew what he was talking about doing, and did not reach to stop it. Or if they did, Str and company did not care to listen. Which is a problem in itself either way. Regardless of how you choose to paint this picture or how you decide you want to look at it, an accountability towards Str was not being upheld. Was it because they deemed it to be ok? Was it because they treat Str with a lack of accountability? Or perhaps it could even be traced back to the conversation & screenshot posted on the initial post, and they simply “just don’t care enough”. A lack of effort to fully address a situation that could’ve easily been addressed, and instead have the situation compound into what it is now due to a lack of accountability.
Now, could the initial interactions have been handled differently? For sure, no doubt. We can agree there. Does any of this justify the lack of accountability and the entry of a whole alliance’s Dynamis run and robbing them of attestation mobs? No, It does not.
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