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 Post subject: Re: Content
PostPosted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:21 am 
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Hard to take someone credibly about Nasomi being easy when they had to dupe millions of gil to get anywhere.

Sure some things easier here. All the more reason it's laughable you had to cheat to do it.

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 Post subject: Re: Content
PostPosted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:33 am 
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Retail was never as hard as a lot of people made it out to be.

Let's be 100% clear here: FFXI endgame was never at the level of difficulty of something like EverQuest, at least on "real" content - we can't cherry pick stupidity like AV and act like it was representative of the other 90% of endgame. And WoW was significantly harder than EQ, particularly from Ahn'Quiraj on.

People doing endgame content here almost all have one or two major advantages: Having done it before on retail, and having done harder endgame content on WoW and other PvE focused games after. Theorycrafting and actually learning about the mechanics of how things work became the norm. People's approaches to playing games fundamentally changed. Allakhazam was a cesspit of idiocy, and even the "Advanced" section of Blue Gartr was full of all sorts of people being wrong, making random assumptions, and generally not knowing what the fuck they were talking about. In the intervening decade and a half, that changed.

SE could launch a ToAU era server tomorrow with the original source code and people would realize that a lot of the shit they remember as being difficult never actually was - they were just a lot worse at the game. With the launch of Classic a bunch of people were going OMG THE PRIVATE SERVERS WERE HARDER BLIZZARD NERFED CLASSIC WOW, and it was simply the truth that people going off of their shoddy memories overtuned the fuck out of the private servers, because they had gotten better at the game and felt that the content wasn't challenging enough compared to how they remembered it.

TLDR: Retail wasn't nearly as hard as you remember it being, people are way better at MMOs now than they were back then, and some other private server being more challenging doesn't mean it was closer to retail.

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 Post subject: Re: Content
PostPosted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 12:12 pm 
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cthalupa wrote:
TLDR: Retail wasn't nearly as hard as you remember it being, people are way better at MMOs now than they were back then, and some other private server being more challenging doesn't mean it was closer to retail.


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 Post subject: Re: Content
PostPosted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 12:41 pm 
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cthalupa wrote:
Arieus wrote:
If any of your arguments against me involve any of the below, you're just copping out:

- Mad because he's banned.
- Mad because he's not in Topshelf.
- Mad because of some other retarded reason only you could conjure inside that pea-sized brain.
- Stop coming here and go back to Eden.
- Good, go back to Eden if its so great.
- It's sad that you're still browsing the Nasomi forums.
(A compilation of the shitty arguments made by members in the past post-ban)

Come up with something good.

These forums are still just so damn juicy and entertaining.


"I know all of these arguments are totally valid and destroy any chance I have of attaining credibility, SO YOU'R ENOT ALLOWED TO LOSE THEM OR YOU LOSE THE ARGUMENT.

Even while cheating you couldn't rise above mediocrity. Nasomi may be significantly easier than retail, but it was still too difficult for you.



Great Post and jesus arieus is a mega fucking loser.

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 Post subject: Re: Content
PostPosted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 1:06 pm 
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Viktoriya wrote:
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This thread should be renamed, "Topshelf gangs up on people." This thread is equivalent to the dumb bitch who thinks just because she's louder she's winning an argument. Aeroo I'm not sure who you think you are that you can talk about someone being the most hated on the server. Literally everyone thinks you're one of the biggest douche bags to ever cross it. Driven by your empirical high horse born out of what you have in your inventory, position you hold in Topshelf, and your linkshell's accomplishments (and the narcissism spawned from those those victories). I know this isn't new news to you, you've heard it all before. If you think anyone actually likes you its because they're either A. In your own linkshell whom of which already live in a fantasy land where in noone else exists except themselves because THEY ARE THE BEST. B. In Topshelf with you and just kissing your ass as you have authority. or C. Just using you as a means to an end in general. (These statements don't apply to everyone, as there are a few cool people in there.) If your attitude was as solid as the capabilities of Topshelf you'd be an all around swell guy. Maybe you're the reason TS members are starting to bleed into Eden lately. :lol:

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As for content on Nasomi, it is most definitely easy mode compared to retail, and to Eden. Promys are an absolute nightmare just like the first day of release on retail, and from what I've seen and heard the rest is just as nightmarish, but for reasons that don't involve dumb fucking bugs plaguing the missions. (YOU CAN ACTUALLY USE AND PRETTY MUCH HAVE TO USE ANIMAS, and items that weaken mobs.)

The few HNMs I've seen here also actually pose a challenge, and the Wyrms actually do damage (with fairly overtuned wings.)

Just a few examples from what I've witnessed on Eden.

All in all, Nasomi is far easier than retail ever was when it comes to tuning on the high end shit (and missions). The greater difficulty is finding people who are able to drop everything to get to a spawn before a linkshell who has literally been killing it for fucking YEARS. If you're response is "git gud" you need to plug that gaping maw in your face with your own dick that you've been sucking since that first kill. If any other linkshell had more than 30 seconds to get there, and not be rushed and able to sculpt there first kill un-rushed there might be more people at your level, they don't really get the chance when you're up every wyrms ass to fund the AV's your killing. But not everyone is Organizer savvy, so preparing takes time. TS was around when the server had ~150-200 people on it, you had plenty of uncontested time to wipe on your own and correct your mistakes. And this point just brings us full circle to everything that was easy mode in the beginning (crafting, no competition, different loot tables, etc.). This circular argument will forever continue.

If any of your arguments against me involve any of the below, you're just copping out:

- Mad because he's banned.
- Mad because he's not in Topshelf.
- Mad because of some other retarded reason only you could conjure inside that pea-sized brain.
- Stop coming here and go back to Eden.
- Good, go back to Eden if its so great.
- It's sad that you're still browsing the Nasomi forums.
(A compilation of the shitty arguments made by members in the past post-ban)

Come up with something good.

These forums are still just so damn juicy and entertaining.





I haven't played on Nasomi in about 4.5 weeks myself outside of popping on in the middle of the night to check if a friend was on then logging out shortly after. Our group is not a cult, if people want to play on Eden or any other game from our group, that is their own business. I think that should say more about the current state of Nasomi, shouldn't it? I don't blame anyone at this point for going to check out Eden during this slow period on Nasomi. I can promise you, there is no juicy drama going on within our group that pushed people to Eden. The reality is there is only so many times one can get excited about Jorms/Tia's/Coney's plus AV's or sea farming.

The guy got called out in the thread over the fact he's barely scratched half the content on the server and is trying to tell everyone the server is easy mode. People act like groups never evolved as content started getting fixed to be closer to retail standards which also increased the challenge. I find it just really weird to call people out for the period they found the server in, it's like calling someone stupid because they found Nasomi in 2015 when a lot of the server was nothing more than the wildwest and they were able to obtained endgame gear during this time. He also calls out how King Behemoth is coded(being easy mode) when the guy who scripted King Behemoth still posts on these forums(Deadwing). I'm sure at some point he'll probably chime in about meteor if he so desires. He's the person that scripted a lot of these endgame mobs, all of sea to a standard he believes retail to have been during the era.

What I said is still true, if Nasomi wiped the server, the same people would rise to the top. I can promise you if I had any desire to start on Eden, I would become a top player there and would be dictating crazy ass meta's to blow content up, just as several of us were doing on Nasomi. The game isn't rocket science, mechanics are still mechanics. You don't need to be flush with Aegis and G.horns to blow content out of the water.


"Called out" are strong words when I stand by my statements. I'm not autistic enough to stand out at a wyrm for 3 days straight with 5 autistic friends in case something spawns. Good for you guys that you feel like doing that. The content is still easier than it was in retail due to access to gear and server idiosyncrasies. Additionally, my point about you and Sapajoe, Aeroo, etc. being some of the most profoundly inappropriately arrogant people still stands. That's the fundamental thing I find hilarious here.

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 Post subject: Re: Content
PostPosted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 1:17 pm 
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Arieus wrote:
All in all, Nasomi is far easier than retail ever was when it comes to tuning on the high end shit (and missions). The greater difficulty is finding people who are able to drop everything to get to a spawn before a linkshell who has literally been killing it for fucking YEARS. If you're response is "git gud" you need to plug that gaping maw in your face with your own dick that you've been sucking since that first kill. If any other linkshell had more than 30 seconds to get there, and not be rushed and able to sculpt there first kill un-rushed there might be more people at your level, they don't really get the chance when you're up every wyrms ass to fund the AV's your killing. But not everyone is Organizer savvy, so preparing takes time. TS was around when the server had ~150-200 people on it, you had plenty of uncontested time to wipe on your own and correct your mistakes. And this point just brings us full circle to everything that was easy mode in the beginning (crafting, no competition, different loot tables, etc.). This circular argument will forever continue.
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Looks like you got some type of Eden syndrome here where endgame shell use to rotate endgame mobs because there is not enough competition/low population.... but wait a sec wasn't eden the true retail feeling???? i remember retail being a war for endgame where you didn't even have time to breath.... are you sure the true retail feeling is on Eden xD?
P.s i heard you are already pretty well geared on Eden , how is the oxblood duping going over there , got in already in touch with bemont and Sov? you guys make a nice cheater Trio over there you are a legend when it comes to talk about cheat on Nasomi.

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 Post subject: Re: Content
PostPosted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 1:24 pm 
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"Called out" are strong words when I stand by my statements. I'm not autistic enough to stand out at a wyrm for 3 days straight with 5 autistic friends in case something spawns. Good for you guys that you feel like doing that. The content is still easier than it was in retail due to access to gear and server idiosyncrasies. Additionally, my point about you and Sapajoe, Aeroo, etc. being some of the most profoundly inappropriately arrogant people still stands. That's the fundamental thing I find hilarious here.


Read: I don't do any of the content I'm commenting on.

That's Vik's whole point. You have no ground to stand on saying things are "super easy" when in fact you haven't even participated in those fights.

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 Post subject: Re: Content
PostPosted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 1:30 pm 
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I dont think he knows what autism is either. :roll: We're allowed and its free to have 2 fully functional characters here. If you're interested in camping a mob, you are completely able to do so while doing anything else you want to on that 2nd char. Clown. Wyrm windows are also 2 days. Your ignorance becomes vastly more apparent with each post, entry. I'll await your next excuse for why you are unable to do content.

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 Post subject: Re: Content
PostPosted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 2:00 pm 
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Entry wrote:
This Additionally, my point about you and Sapajoe, Aeroo, etc. being some of the most profoundly inappropriately arrogant people still stands. That's the fundamental thing I find hilarious here.


Wahhhh people are mean to me. Imagine being a baby back bitch.

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 Post subject: Re: Content
PostPosted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 2:11 pm 
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Entry wrote:
    * Easy mode KB (400 damage meteor?)
    * Easy mode Faf/Nid (joke wings)
    * Easy mode Tiamat (elementals are a joke)
    * Easy mode Vrtra (straight tanking without kiting)
    * Easy mode Jorm (see above re: elementals)
    * Extremely low enmity cap makes tanking just being the last to hit something
    * Non-lethal Fulmination
    * Ez moad PW/ZNM gear bloating gear supplies
    * Ez moad relics

You get the idea.


Meteor is true to era retail; the Allah screenshot isn't exactly fake news though, meteor will drop everyone in the red on nasomi and retail if the group is small and unprepared.
Wings are true to era retail
You're right about the wyrm adds, though that's not a problem with the wyrm's coding directly.
Vrtra is accurate, and was straight tank-able in retail to a good group.
Enmity cap is accurate, both in values and overall cap of 10k.
Fulmination is accurate in damage and paralyze proc rate.
Znm gear is mostly sidegrades

The easy-mode relics you mentioned are the source of most of the perceived ease of this game. Nas has flagged all NMs to have an extra 50% HP (including AV), but the fights still go faster and feel easier than retail. If you took away the aegis plds, ghorn brds, and kraken drks, a lot of the servers endgame would start getting a lot more challenging.


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