Zero mages leveled, also not having any issues with anything. I also think OWNMs are a bad, broken system, but they would be fine if they could be tanked.

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Gweivyth - Skyward.
Gilgamesh 2002-2008.

Let's do the Time Warp again!

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same. well, not same on 'zero mages leveled'. i guess bard/whm counts as a mage

Since buffs don't wear off when the OWNM applies level cap, is it possible that some of the lower level ones maybe could be tanked (20, 30, and maybe 40?) with Protect and Shell IV or V, Phalanx, and Stoneskin? If a SMN applies the stoneskin the only thing that would wear off before the end of the fight is the phalanx.

I haven't been able to get a group to try yet, but I sure would like to. WHM, PLD, RDM, SMN, THF and 1 other DD. It's a very defensive set up but you could have ProShell V, Phalanx II, and Stoneskin on your low level tank. If you need more damage just bring the rdm/smn as buffers and drop them before the pull for stronger DD.

It's not foolproof but it's an idea.

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this was more funny before everyone copied Kanodin

That sounds even more niche than just BLM zerging honestly.

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Gweivyth - Skyward.
Gilgamesh 2002-2008.

Let's do the Time Warp again!

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Show me... I've tanked everything in this game from tiamat to nid, etc.. these things 1 shot a decently geared hume paladin.. Everything on this server is just, "Throw some black mages at it..."

Anyone defending the current OWNM situation is very short sighted and selfish.. fine you want to make one a mage fight, but now 100% of all BCNM gear is behind multiple mobs who are EXACTLY the same, the exact same setup, etc..

The fix isn't "level a job to do ownms." you can't have 100% of BCNM loot tuned to a blm/rng/rdm fight.. sorry it's just bad in all regards.. Fix the damn BCNM's already or tune down the OWNS so other party comps can do them.. If NAS doesn't have the time to do so, bring someone on that can. NAS is hurting his server by not fixing bugs that are fixed on other private servers.

Nas needs to get over his inability to let people help him with code. It's clear he doesn't have the time to fix the problems this server has.

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Sad but true. If there was variety in the OWNMs it would be fine I'm guessing? I've only ever watched the fight, but is there anything unique about the OWNM mobs, or do they just have high stats? It's obvious that it is a band aid 'fix' and discouraging to myself and other new players.

Why is Nasomi so against having help? I understand the thinking of having pride in something you do all on your own, but if it takes 15 years to make the game run like the original did, will there be anyone still playing then? The only thing keeping me around is that Nasomi is the closest server to being era specific. The other 75 cap server that I looked at has a lot of stupid stuff (being able to buy guild point items off an npc for gil, buying a bunch of other stuff that used to not be for sale on npcs, augmenting gear that you never used to be able to, etc etc...).

if this is so easy, why are they just sitting up all the time? if these were killable by anything but a very niche party they'd be dead more often than they are. I mean, i've tanked and killed every mob this game has to offer.. I can tell when something isn't balanced quite properly.

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75PLD

They don't drop these scrolls so mostly irrelevant.

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Gweivyth - Skyward.
Gilgamesh 2002-2008.

Let's do the Time Warp again!

New to Nasomi and have a question? PM me, I'd be glad to help!

Quite a few responded to the "BLM is all you need" comment with a "I don't have it leveled and manage fine". I think that misses the point entirely - there is, and has always been, a place for healers, supports and to a lesser degree tanks in most games, since they're less played than dd/dps. Also if BLU or SMN is leveled, they sorta fill the same niche, except for BLU primarily blooming at 75 and SMN being somewhat similar, but with quite a lot to offer during the leveling experience as well.My intention wasn't to say that BLM is required, my intention was to say that BLM is the dd job that can get away with not having to bother with versatility in terms of jobs leveled, since there's mostly always a place for them. I get that FFXI has always been about versatility, and I quite enjoy that part, the fact that having multiple options availabl provide more possibillities in terms of what you can tackle, is one of the best parts of FFXI - what isn't appreciated, however, is never being able to play one's main job in scenarios outside of leveling/meritting, sky material farming and to some extend limbus, whereas a BLM can fill in as DPS in +95% of scenarios. I guess I am saying I wish versatility was closer tied to picking between wanting to dd, heal or tank, rather than between "Do I contribute magic or physical dmg" "Do I feed a lot of tp, or do I not" "Am I melee, or am I ranged" - cause we all know that that sort of versatility goes in the favor of mostly magic and ranged, and that's sad. My two cents, no hate to anyone, and... Toau ftw.

I personally don't care that BLM/BLM/RDM can trio them. I care that a balanced party of 6 can't succeed on the 40 or lower ones. If you have one mob representing the challenge for all the loot then you need to make it accessible to everyone. If someone wants to cheese it with 3 people I don't care, but there's a problem if the only approach is to cheese the fight.