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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2018 4:12 pm 
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It’s so funny when new people come and want things taken away from the people who played here longer. Get over yourself. Get over the “era” you think you are playing in. You’re playing nasomi. It’s been this way for years. The prices of those bodies fluctuate up and down all the time when some new group figures out how to do it. So d body is useless. Who cares? A lot of abjurations are. By the way, you’re attempting to shoot yourself in the privates with a 12 gauge if you’re making this dumbass suggestion and you don’t have your haub+1 yet. Think you can’t afford one now? Remove all the hachi bodies and watch what happens. Quit hatin on people that came here before you. Listen to cil. Go stroke one out or something, when you’re ready to have fun and stop whining, come back and enjoy this beautiful server and all of its issues and drama with the rest of us.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2018 5:17 pm 
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Aeroo wrote:
It’s so funny when new people come and want things taken away from the people who played here longer. Get over yourself. Get over the “era” you think you are playing in. You’re playing nasomi. It’s been this way for years. The prices of those bodies fluctuate up and down all the time when some new group figures out how to do it. So d body is useless. Who cares? A lot of abjurations are. By the way, you’re attempting to shoot yourself in the privates with a 12 gauge if you’re making this dumbass suggestion and you don’t have your haub+1 yet. Think you can’t afford one now? Remove all the hachi bodies and watch what happens. Quit hatin on people that came here before you. Listen to cil. Go stroke one out or something, when you’re ready to have fun and stop whining, come back and enjoy this beautiful server and all of its issues and drama with the rest of us.



You people are so dense.

I have the piece(s).

This has NOTHING to do with "people who were here before me". You need to get over YOURSELF Aeroo, and actually listen to what I'm saying.

Watch the items drop lower and lower in price. What's the fun in that? I'm surprised I was able to buy this item for 2 mil, it didn't even feel rewarding. It was 3 mil just last week. The item will not fluctuate in price, it will CONTINUE to get lower. I don't think you understand how server growth works.

I don't think nasomi knows/cares/understands/is aware of what could potentially happen as the server grows more and more with the abundance of sellable ZNMs items on the loose.

I care about the future of nasomi.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2018 5:27 pm 
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Think its stupid to be advocating the removal of content when the server could always use more content. For those who don't know, Nasomi put a story into place as to why ZNM's are the way they are and why the mobs are level 99 and OWNM's exist. It was a virus outbreak that exploded through Aht Urhgan and some of it leaked into the mainland(creating OWNM's in the process). People need to learn how to enjoy the server and quit worrying about what other people have, its so stupid. When I first started, I ran into people who were already in full abjuration +1 gear and multiple relics. I just said damn then got to grinding.

We don't have ouryu 2.0, Bahamut 2.0, ENM's, Waking the Beast, Apocalypse neigh, but boy, let me tell you how problematic those ZNM's are that Nasomi added to challenge people.


You're completely missing my point. This isn't about what other people have, this is about making it more difficult to get said item because my ONLY fear is that these powerful items will greatly decrease in price over time, and its not like there's anything "better" to replace them with, they are BiS and tradable. Items like these completely destroy any other body piece or weapon from the real 2005 era.

6 BSTS can kill PW in an hour. Why do you think there's an over abundance of Hachiryu Haramaki and the GA? There are so many being sold via Bazaar the past few weeks that it has nearly dropped in price by HALF. Just give it a few months and this item will be 200k. Understand my logic and fear? I don't want something like this to happen to nasomi, where everyone who hits 75 just automatically gets the best out of era body piece and GA with a simple price tag. This server isn't Supernova.



So what? I was killing PW 2 years ago and never once used bsts to do it. PW is easy for any non-retarded group on this server without using a bst method in its current state. Like everything else, that fight will eventually get fixed to behave more like retail in some distant future.


The fact that you even think it needs to be fixed makes my point. Glad we're on the same page. And for the record , literally ANYTHING is "easy" for any "non-retarded group" on FFXI.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2018 5:30 pm 
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I don't agree with nebby that the price is just gonna drop forever (it's always been up and down, even with the server growth, which, btw, tends to mean higher prices, not lower...), but I agree that it's stupid to leave PW in an easily killable state. Nas took action quickly when AV had -minor- issues tangentially related to it that made it more easily killable than it should have been, why not do the same for PW? I don't think anyone is suggesting these items be taken away from the players that have them (cries of "making things harder just for newbies" inc) but it's silly to leave something like that so easily killable.

There will never be a reasonable path taken by nas to remove items from players who got them already (see 'recent' relic rollback), which means such a change will impact newbies more. So what. Eventually, just like everything else made more difficult, the number of items or players that exist or have benefited drops overtime to nearly 0.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2018 5:31 pm 
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People aren’t ignoring what you’re saying....

They think what you’re saying is wrong in the best case, and ignorant in the worst.

Edit: just to be clear, I don’t think anything needs taken away. The relics of times when it were necessary was about the AH spots. I think everyone should get to keep all their shit

I would like to see him spend more time on fixing things, like PW and similar fights from being so boringly easy though

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2018 5:48 pm 
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I don't agree with nebby that the price is just gonna drop forever (it's always been up and down, even with the server growth, which, btw, tends to mean higher prices, not lower...), but I agree that it's stupid to leave PW in an easily killable state. Nas took action quickly when AV had -minor- issues tangentially related to it that made it more easily killable than it should have been, why not do the same for PW? I don't think anyone is suggesting these items be taken away from the players that have them (cries of "making things harder just for newbies" inc) but it's silly to leave something like that so easily killable.

There will never be a reasonable path taken by nas to remove items from players who got them already (see 'recent' relic rollback), which means such a change will impact newbies more. So what. Eventually, just like everything else made more difficult, the number of items or players that exist or have benefited drops overtime to nearly 0.


Why don't you think the price will continue to drop? It only makes sense considering the past few months. 3.5 mil beginning of summer and now they are selling for 1.8. BST parties are spamming it and there are tons of these items in circulation, and will only get worse over time. Considering how easy it is to kill PW is the main issue i'm talking about. The server is growing at a rate that is not at all comparable to the past years.


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People aren’t ignoring what you’re saying....

They think what you’re saying is wrong in the best case, and ignorant in the worst.

Edit: just to be clear, I don’t think anything needs taken away. The relics of times when it were necessary was about the AH spots. I think everyone should get to keep all their shit

I would like to see him spend more time on fixing things, like PW and similar fights from being so boringly easy though


I think you just admitted my exact point.

PW is easyand easily repeatable. Which in turn: unnecessary abundance in powerful items.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2018 5:49 pm 
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They were selling for 2m last year with 200 players peak this time of year too.

You're too new to say how prices move on the server yet.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2018 5:52 pm 
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Nabutso wrote:
They were selling for 2m last year with 200 players peak this time of year too.

You're too new to say how prices move on the server yet.


And 2018 is completely different than any year Nasomi has experienced. You can't compare the past to what will happen with triple the server growth.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2018 5:53 pm 
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nebby wrote:
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I don't agree with nebby that the price is just gonna drop forever (it's always been up and down, even with the server growth, which, btw, tends to mean higher prices, not lower...), but I agree that it's stupid to leave PW in an easily killable state. Nas took action quickly when AV had -minor- issues tangentially related to it that made it more easily killable than it should have been, why not do the same for PW? I don't think anyone is suggesting these items be taken away from the players that have them (cries of "making things harder just for newbies" inc) but it's silly to leave something like that so easily killable.

There will never be a reasonable path taken by nas to remove items from players who got them already (see 'recent' relic rollback), which means such a change will impact newbies more. So what. Eventually, just like everything else made more difficult, the number of items or players that exist or have benefited drops overtime to nearly 0.


Why don't you think the price will continue to drop? It only makes sense considering the past few months. 3.5 mil beginning of summer and now they are selling for 1.8. BST parties are spamming it and there are tons of these items in circulation, and will only get worse over time. Considering how easy it is to kill PW is the main issue i'm talking about. The server is growing at a rate that is not at all comparable to the past years.


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People aren’t ignoring what you’re saying....

They think what you’re saying is wrong in the best case, and ignorant in the worst.

Edit: just to be clear, I don’t think anything needs taken away. The relics of times when it were necessary was about the AH spots. I think everyone should get to keep all their shit

I would like to see him spend more time on fixing things, like PW and similar fights from being so boringly easy though


I think you just admitted my exact point.

PW is easyand easily repeatable. Which in turn: unnecessary abundance in powerful items.


You have to pick... either everyone is ignoring what you’re saying or “admitting your exact point”. No one said PW shouldn’t be fixed.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2018 5:55 pm 
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I’d like to see it fixed because it’s boring to fight right now, not because I think it not being fixed is causing some sort of damage to the server.

edit: I’d be more concerned with the fact that a party of BSTs can basically kill everything with no danger or risk, rather than what they are actually killing. But meh

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