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PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 11:19 pm 
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Kazaram wrote:
change the whm to a brd and double minuet. nin/war was spamming ele wheel with int gear and food? cor was /war for damage and spamming ele cards? if kiting rdm can go /blm and nuke to help with damage, should be using melon juice and using convert twice. Was the thf using xbow with racc sets for damage? SAM using archery? many jobs have access to ranged attacks, war drk thf and sam, use them. Presume cor was doing 3 roll rotation evoker chaos hunter, and brd was refreshing mages? all dd using decent foods too and lvl 40 or below gear? Harden shell needs to be dispelled asap. It's not a walk in the park to kill it within 25 minutes but it should be doable if you did all the above.


"So here's what you do, you take all of these jobs, and you make them emulate BLM as much as possible, and that'll make it possible!"

There's obviously no problems here guys. Kazaram confirmed.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 12:43 pm 
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Gweivyth wrote:
"So here's what you do, you take all of these jobs, and you make them emulate BLM as much as possible, and that'll make it possible!"

There's obviously no problems here guys. Kazaram confirmed.


Nevermind the fact that he's a hypocrite, telling everyone to show him proof that they've tried every combination, when he can't be bothered to try things to prove himself right, either, lol.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 1:25 pm 
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Gweivyth wrote:
Kazaram wrote:
change the whm to a brd and double minuet. nin/war was spamming ele wheel with int gear and food? cor was /war for damage and spamming ele cards? if kiting rdm can go /blm and nuke to help with damage, should be using melon juice and using convert twice. Was the thf using xbow with racc sets for damage? SAM using archery? many jobs have access to ranged attacks, war drk thf and sam, use them. Presume cor was doing 3 roll rotation evoker chaos hunter, and brd was refreshing mages? all dd using decent foods too and lvl 40 or below gear? Harden shell needs to be dispelled asap. It's not a walk in the park to kill it within 25 minutes but it should be doable if you did all the above.


"So here's what you do, you take all of these jobs, and you make them emulate BLM as much as possible, and that'll make it possible!"

There's obviously no problems here guys. Kazaram confirmed.


lmfao! I was seeing the same thing when reading his post. The only thing offered here is Nin = NUKE!, rdm = NUKE!, thf = RATTK, sam = RATTK, brd and cor = BUFF THE NUKERS/RATTK'rs hahaha ...


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 1:40 pm 
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Also suggested COR/WAR over COR/BLM for card nuking...

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 10:27 pm 
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I was almost not going to bother replying, but I can't leave the thread on a bad note as it is. Nasomi server deserves better than these sour apples.

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We had it Grav'd and melee was still pretty much meaningless because of how glitchy attacks are on moving targets here on Nasomi.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkX5kJ8LXWU&feature=youtu.be. It's not very hard to melee reasonably regularly while chasing a gravitied mob. Just takes a little bit of skill to get down. Just use ja and ws when OWNM stops to cast a random spell or uses a tp move every 20 sec. Using archery and xbow on sam, thf, drk and war is just much easier (but thf needs to for dps).

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Gweivyth wrote:
Kazaram wrote:
change the whm to a brd and double minuet. nin/war was spamming ele wheel with int gear and food? cor was /war for damage and spamming ele cards? if kiting rdm can go /blm and nuke to help with damage, should be using melon juice and using convert twice. Was the thf using xbow with racc sets for damage? SAM using archery? many jobs have access to ranged attacks, war drk thf and sam, use them. Presume cor was doing 3 roll rotation evoker chaos hunter, and brd was refreshing mages? all dd using decent foods too and lvl 40 or below gear? Harden shell needs to be dispelled asap. It's not a walk in the park to kill it within 25 minutes but it should be doable if you did all the above.


"So here's what you do, you take all of these jobs, and you make them emulate BLM as much as possible, and that'll make it possible!"

There's obviously no problems here guys. Kazaram confirmed.


lmfao! I was seeing the same thing when reading his post. The only thing offered here is Nin = NUKE!, rdm = NUKE!, thf = RATTK, sam = RATTK, brd and cor = BUFF THE NUKERS/RATTK'rs hahaha ...


I am sorry but if a ninja using the tools it has available to it, ele nukes, to supplement voking for extra enmity (which is too necessary to ignore) is considered a moot point because its too blm like then the witch you are hunting for is you, not Nasomi.

THF dps, especially in the lower levels, is always highest on Nasomi server by spamming ranged attacks for TP. Again not using this tool is gimp, regardless of your irrational objections to shooting.

An RDM that comes merely for gravity and doesn't use nukes to help for damage is gimp. Again not using this tool is gimp, regardless of your objection to black magic. Even if it really is truly unacceptable to rely on black magic nukes whatsoever then enspell and melee if you feel so obliged.

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Also suggested COR/WAR over COR/BLM for card nuking...

but in a set-up involving chaos/hunter rolls and double minuet buffs and dia2 + dispel of harden shell. I think gun shots + WS will do a fair bit more damage than ele cards, so berserk probably beats MAB trait.

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Seems like you need more practice imo. If you insist on a using pld or nin to tank for lvl 40 OWNM, then kite tank as I explained. Insist on melee? Melee OWNM as demonstrated in the video. This really is the kind of testing you guys should have been doing all along, instead of complaining.

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Gweivyth wrote:
"So here's what you do, you take all of these jobs, and you make them emulate BLM as much as possible, and that'll make it possible!"

There's obviously no problems here guys. Kazaram confirmed.


Nevermind the fact that he's a hypocrite, telling everyone to show him proof that they've tried every combination, when he can't be bothered to try things to prove himself right, either, lol.


Honestly after that quick testing of how to melee OWNM effectively I am now prepared to say I could almost certainly beat OWNM kiting with a tank and using no blm or rng (and probably even banning the rdm from nuking). It doesn't matter even if I am a hypocrite, I was never the one complaining about OWNMs (I took advantage of and enjoyed the content). The difference between you and me is that you are not being nice when you cry for Nasomi put in hard work to fix all these problems when you can't even be bothered to play the game and figure out solutions for yourselves (supposed to be part of the fun right?).

I won't respond anymore on this thread.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 11:46 pm 
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This guy. Lol


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2017 1:12 am 
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lol


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2017 2:12 am 
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Rulkar wrote:
This guy. Lol


???

What does this even mean? What is so outlandish about his response that it deserves this level of rude shrug off?


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2017 2:41 am 
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It's not worth the time to explain if you aren't on the same page as us finding this comical. lol

Anyway I think we should all move on from this. >.>


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2017 3:02 pm 
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Update: Tried again last night, we didn't bring any melee this time, the only melee we had this time was a THF, but we had some success tanking the 40 in Rol Fields. Our NIN went NIN/BLM this time and spun wheel like last time, we killed it in 26 minutes. We had one death during that time so we stalled a little bit, likely a 22-ish min kill if our BLM hadn't gotten crunched. Setup was NIN/BLM, THF/NIN, BLM/NIN, WHM/BLM, COR/BLM, RDM/BLM.

Observation is that NIN/BLM is the way to go for NIN, you can tank it through damage, you really don't need Provoke if you have a WHM hasting the NIN. COR/BLM is risky, Quick Draw hits for a consistent 250~ per shot, I pulled hate onto myself pretty often. It didn't kill me at any point as I was at max range when it happened usually, but it was not ideal. I don't think any non-/NIN sub is right for COR here, the extra Archer's Knife and shadows are both very valuable. Maybe not too bad if the NIN had Provoke, but honestly he probably contributed way more damage than I could have anyway so the trade is likely worth it.

I don't know that I would want to have a NIN without a WHM to Haste. I think that single utility is enough to justify bringing them, but also not having to worry about HP was a novelty. Eating Dia wasn't a huge deal. Generally speaking it was a nice safety net to have.

Drop rates are still shite though. :(

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