These scrolls are now basically nonexistent with BCNMs being down. I mentioned this issue to Nasomi the other day and he dismissed me, mentioning that people should just do OWNMs for these scrolls. Well, I tried that two days in a row. Yesterday I did 2, today I did 3, we saw exactly zero of either of these scrolls. It seems completely unreasonable to expect these to be a sufficient supply source for these scrolls. Even if I wanted to throw gil at the problem, I can't.

So I suppose my question is...what's the plan, here?

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Put them on an NPC, make it a big gil-sink to remove it out of the economy.

Better to do it via BCNMs but gil-sinking works too.

Sadly that is the norm on Nasomi - random changes come through that change economy of certain items - prime example being argus spawning pretty much all the time, so pcc was 70k-100k, (Being 800k-1mil before that). That went on for such a long time that one could think it was intended, then all of a sudden, argus spawn condition goes back to the normal one, making pcc go up to 800k-1mil. Several other examples like that. As for the OWNM comment, summarizes perfectly the "roll mage/ranged or go home" logic that's existant on nasomi server.

A sample size of 5 OWNM's is not enough to justify the attitude you have. You don't know the drop-rates, they could be exactly the same as a BCNM in retail. Go kill some more and report back when you have a reason to be upset. Did you get used to the coddling of retail? Go kill some OWNM's. It seems completely unreasonable that you expect to receive a drop in <5 kills. This is a private server with limited people so of course supply will be limited for quite a few rare items. Get used to it and go earn your drop!

I love how players say nas is completely unreasonable because he didn't do what they told him to do.

The drops are out there, and they're obtainable. The bcnm's were exploited and he had to put something in place until they could be fixed. Dropping everything on an npc as a fix is boring as hell, and it would mean only the rich could afford it, if you put them up for an appropriate price. what level 40 has 500k to drop on a scroll? Oh you wanted it 50K? What prevents people from buying a hundred, then when it's fixed relisting them for lower prices?

Crap like this comes up again and again, stuff breaks, or gets exploited, and it gets fixed, and players are impatient and demand an instant workaround and if he doesn't give one he's the one being unreasonable.

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Sprite - 75PLD - 99.6ww 60alch 60gs 55bs 25cc 22bc
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this is exactly why im glad it hasnt just been put onto an npc. it could do bizare things to the supply when the fight is finally fixed

my question is- are OWNMs a resonable subsitute for BCNMs in difficulty? OWNMs need more people, and the job selection seems no less specific than BCNMs.

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There's still a degree of unknown about OWNM's, how they act, what they drop, etc. It's not well documented because players have kept the information to themselves. Because of that, there's going to be some trial and error, and it's going to take some time to figure out. Not an overnight success like players have gotten so used to just reading a wiki and blindly following the steps put forth by other players.

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Pepsi - 75SMN - 88 cooking 12 fishing and rising
Sprite - 75PLD - 99.6ww 60alch 60gs 55bs 25cc 22bc
Coke - Best mule ever

Yes we do. Nasomi has said repeatedly that the loot tables are the same percentages as the BCNMs they represent. The difference is, they're on 12 hour respawns. My sample size will be bigger, but there are only 5 OWNMs that drop these scrolls and I can't do them a few times in a row like I would a BCNM, so I couldn't really do more. I'm doing more today. You can also do BCNMs with less people, you pretty much need six mages to do OWNMs without getting shredded.


Heck off with the ad hominem. I quit before XI started getting easy, I have no problem with working to get things, but to pretend that there isn't an issue with OWNMs being the only source for these scrolls would be absolutely ludicrous. Lets be generous and pretend like if people were spamming these OWNMs as soon as they spawned, and getting 2 drops per round, that's 4 scrolls of Refresh coming into the game every 24 hours. If that were how it was going, it would be arguably okay, but there's still the whole needing a full group of 6 people thing.

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all you have to do is look at the auction house history for refresh, utsusemi ni, phalanx, erase, Icespikes, etc. It will be obvious how the supply has completely evaporated, the sales of been down for a couple weeks and none are in stock.

whatever system we have in place right now it's not working. if people were bold with their pricing I think refresh and utsusemi could easily reach 1 million in these conditions

I'm not going to take the moral high ground by any means; however I would like to point out: people having a stockpile of scrolls or level 40 BCNM armor drops etc. to sell into this demand would help this BCNM speed bump go down easier.