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 Post subject: Re: Bst nerfs
PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 1:52 pm 
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Tomberi wrote:
Goblin Slayer wrote:
now he has to get rid of all those retarded OWNMs that nobody uses make gobs drop lightning crystals and fix BLM to make things more era accurate.

he should,it's lame to have them now that we have most bcnm

Also, I've always been bst main , and will continue this way, bst was too overpowered and a nerf was neccesary, could easily solo most content with ease due to BA and mulsums

BUT he should add snarl and pet healing when on "stay" to be retail-like :?


A reasoned point of view in this thread. Color me surprised.

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 Post subject: Re: Bst nerfs
PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 2:07 pm 
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I have bst and took full advantage of the power. That said, it REALLY needed to be brought back down to earth. Bsts could solo things it took SEVERAL people to do.

Now the bsts may really hate me for bringing this up....which has been unsurprisingly left out of their argument....we can still charm mobs that should not be charmed. You are not weak, nor are you useless. Go charm a wyvern and shut up.


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 Post subject: Re: Bst nerfs
PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 3:19 pm 
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cyber857 wrote:
lockecole777 wrote:
Ralphie wrote:
Well glad I put 40 merits and alot of time into this class so it could be turned into trash,thanks


If by trash you mean retail accurate (its actually probably still better) then I fail to see the problem. You knowingly leveled a broken overpowered class in order to reap its benefits. Why would you expect anything else than for said job to eventually be brought back down to retail standards.



Can't wait for them to remove Iridal Staff and Chatoyant staffs so we go back to retail accurate and damn those people that used them for over two years when they knew they were broken and over powered and out of era!

I mean that's how its meant to be on Nasomi! Oh yeah all those relics people have from back in the day with unlimited farming thankfully those were reset because that was broken and unfair right?? Or the gil they made from the AH exploit where a single item was returned in a stack.

Here is the truth. Now (intended or not, Era or not) a 0 BA merited 75 beast master has 0 difference in stats, play, skills, etc than a 5/5 merited BA bst. Thats 220k exp for a thing that makes no change at all in the game. Further more an bst has 0 Roles in end game. There is no role in sky, sea, dynamis, that a fully merited bst can now do better than a half merited-other job. (excepting pup, which is somehow more broken than bst.)

Let's get rid of ammochi, staves, blm food, I mean the point is make it retail right? Put those passwords back in Castle OJ, put the tax back in lower jeuno, AH @ 7 slots.

OR you know keep those changes because they make life a lot better even if they were "not intended" or "out of era."

The change as it stand to Beast Affinity, means beastmaster has no role end game now. None. We can go do the "Cool stuff" only if we take a different job or there is a leech spot and others carry us.


Comparing something that let you tank enraged ground HNMs to something that saves you a couple inventory spots. I can see arguing with you is pointless.


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 Post subject: Re: Bst nerfs
PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 3:22 pm 
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lockecole777 wrote:
cyber857 wrote:
lockecole777 wrote:

If by trash you mean retail accurate (its actually probably still better) then I fail to see the problem. You knowingly leveled a broken overpowered class in order to reap its benefits. Why would you expect anything else than for said job to eventually be brought back down to retail standards.



Can't wait for them to remove Iridal Staff and Chatoyant staffs so we go back to retail accurate and damn those people that used them for over two years when they knew they were broken and over powered and out of era!

I mean that's how its meant to be on Nasomi! Oh yeah all those relics people have from back in the day with unlimited farming thankfully those were reset because that was broken and unfair right?? Or the gil they made from the AH exploit where a single item was returned in a stack.

Here is the truth. Now (intended or not, Era or not) a 0 BA merited 75 beast master has 0 difference in stats, play, skills, etc than a 5/5 merited BA bst. Thats 220k exp for a thing that makes no change at all in the game. Further more an bst has 0 Roles in end game. There is no role in sky, sea, dynamis, that a fully merited bst can now do better than a half merited-other job. (excepting pup, which is somehow more broken than bst.)

Let's get rid of ammochi, staves, blm food, I mean the point is make it retail right? Put those passwords back in Castle OJ, put the tax back in lower jeuno, AH @ 7 slots.

OR you know keep those changes because they make life a lot better even if they were "not intended" or "out of era."

The change as it stand to Beast Affinity, means beastmaster has no role end game now. None. We can go do the "Cool stuff" only if we take a different job or there is a leech spot and others carry us.


Comparing something that let you tank enraged ground HNMs to something that saves you a couple inventory spots. I can see arguing with you is pointless.



it's still out of era though you should support it 100%. as everything need to be as accurate as possible.
we are suppose to not care about ballance ad well being of people but just care about our own memoery that bst was raised only by people who liked bst not for it's function and was called lolbst. let's emulate that


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 Post subject: Re: Bst nerfs
PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 3:24 pm 
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meisam wrote:
lockecole777 wrote:
cyber857 wrote:


Can't wait for them to remove Iridal Staff and Chatoyant staffs so we go back to retail accurate and damn those people that used them for over two years when they knew they were broken and over powered and out of era!

I mean that's how its meant to be on Nasomi! Oh yeah all those relics people have from back in the day with unlimited farming thankfully those were reset because that was broken and unfair right?? Or the gil they made from the AH exploit where a single item was returned in a stack.

Here is the truth. Now (intended or not, Era or not) a 0 BA merited 75 beast master has 0 difference in stats, play, skills, etc than a 5/5 merited BA bst. Thats 220k exp for a thing that makes no change at all in the game. Further more an bst has 0 Roles in end game. There is no role in sky, sea, dynamis, that a fully merited bst can now do better than a half merited-other job. (excepting pup, which is somehow more broken than bst.)

Let's get rid of ammochi, staves, blm food, I mean the point is make it retail right? Put those passwords back in Castle OJ, put the tax back in lower jeuno, AH @ 7 slots.

OR you know keep those changes because they make life a lot better even if they were "not intended" or "out of era."

The change as it stand to Beast Affinity, means beastmaster has no role end game now. None. We can go do the "Cool stuff" only if we take a different job or there is a leech spot and others carry us.


Comparing something that let you tank enraged ground HNMs to something that saves you a couple inventory spots. I can see arguing with you is pointless.



it's still out of era though you should support it 100%. as everything need to be as accurate as possible.
we are suppose to not care about ballance ad well being of people but just care about our own memoery that bst was useless and was called lolbst. let's emulate that



You obviously dont give a shit about balance or you wouldn't be arguing in favor of bsts. There was zero balance there.


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 Post subject: Re: Bst nerfs
PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 3:31 pm 
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Juront wrote:
meisam wrote:
lockecole777 wrote:

Comparing something that let you tank enraged ground HNMs to something that saves you a couple inventory spots. I can see arguing with you is pointless.



it's still out of era though you should support it 100%. as everything need to be as accurate as possible.
we are suppose to not care about ballance ad well being of people but just care about our own memoery that bst was useless and was called lolbst. let's emulate that



You obviously dont give a shit about balance or you wouldn't be arguing in favor of bsts. There was zero balance there.


I never said bst didn't need nerf. I said you only want bst to be as accurate as era because it's not your concern. not that you care about well being of the server. or people who care about bst job.

bst needed nerf. but era wasn't fair to bst. I simply say find something to make bst a little better than bad

by the way bst isn't even a competing job. so there was not that much balance needed in the first place. bst usually play together work together as they are not welcomed in normal parties.
it could do things that shouldn't have been possible ofcourse. but it needed to find a creative way to balance it. not just kill it outright.


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 Post subject: Re: Bst nerfs
PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 3:41 pm 
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meisam wrote:
bst needed nerf. but era wasn't fair to bst. I simply say find something to make bst a little better than bad

If you need a broken beast affinity for bst to be "good" then the problem's whith you not with the job, bst can still solo things no other job can.
Don't expect to be a reliable dps or tank on hi-endgame stuff, because bst was not meant to be that from the start.


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 Post subject: Re: Bst nerfs
PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 3:47 pm 
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lmao
Lets nerf bsts to era accurate, but keep everything else the way it is....because...because

Who is biggest whiner here?

Charm wyvern? should we ask nas to put a couple wyverns in every zone?


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 Post subject: Re: Bst nerfs
PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 3:49 pm 
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I am a bst with 5/5 BA. I enjoy bst. But i also realize, as most of you cannot, that bst shouldnt be able to solo content that takes 10-18 people.


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 Post subject: Re: Bst nerfs
PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 3:49 pm 
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Holdenknight wrote:
lmao
Lets nerf bsts to era accurate, but keep everything else the way it is....because...because

Who is biggest whiner here?

Charm wyvern? should we ask nas to put a couple wyverns in every zone?


And marlboros, AND DYNAMIS DRAGONS, etc....


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