Hello,

Just joined the server like a week ago, I am a WHM lvl 16.

First of all i want to say thank you to the admin for the great work, especially about the installer, never installed this game so easily in my life.
But I'm making this post to ask suggestions mostly because my experience in game so far has been terrible.

I'm struggling to get gil for even basic equipment, the economy in the action house is a bit strange, items like crystal stock they sell at a very low price and than even basic gear and spells they are a bit too pricey. So I find myself now at lvl 16 with barely acceptable gear and missing a lot of spells (i know about shops).

Also it's extremely hard for me to get a party for some reason, first and only exp party I've found it was after 2 days (6 hours each roughly) of wait.

Am i missing something? I am extremely undergeared (did not have that problem in retail) and missing many spells, also I'm losing a lot of time just waiting for a party to invite me and that happened 2 times, first time i got kicked immediately because of my gear and the second time it was a decent party but that was after 2 days.

If you guys can tell me what i can do different that would be much appreciated.
Also I'd really like levelling white mage and than be BRD main but so many WHMs are around with subclasses and PL friends, it's extremely hard to get a party in this situation.

There are a lot of new players, which is why Crystals are relatively cheap (since newbies supply them) but the gear new players want to buy is expensive (demand is high). I suggest checking out the guide I wrote for new players which mostly avoids using the AH to make your first chunk of gil: viewtopic.php?f=6&t=4645

The past few days have been rough because we're recovery from a DDoS and not everybody has grabbed the new launcher. There are a lot of people who would otherwise be partying that are with family, or doing the X-mas event ingame too. (the X-mas event mostly benefits players around your level, so I don't blame them). When you were seeking, were you in the dunes? I know it's rough, but without a subjob, a lot of players will choose someone else over you first, especially as a WHM.

I think you're just experiencing the rough times that any new WHM has. I was there too a year and a half ago. I wasted gil on DEF pieces unfortunately and had no gil guide to follow. Don't worry too much and focus on improving yourself, then those parties will come easy. Making friends with the people you party with helps too - they'll invite you again!

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See what Nab said. I would add as well that WHM is not so easy to level as well compared to some jobs. Since dualboxing is allowed here you will find a lot of people have a dualboxed healer. I'm not going to get into whether this is a good idea or not or whether or not it's as effective -- but the reality is some PTs don't have a dedicated slot for a healer. After level 40, a lot of PTs also shun them for RDMs instead.

My advice? You can get gil from farming things and doing quests. You can also make your own PTs. It's also Christmas time around a lot of parts of the world -- so you're not going go find as many people playing as there normally are since some are doing the event as Nab said or are spending time w/ their families.

What's your in-game name? I will look out for you tomorrow -- I can give you some gear and spells to get started if you're still finding it hard to get started.

I'm really sorry to hear you being kicked from what I assume must have been a dunes party. Unfortunately there are a lot of pretty terrible community "memes"/superstitions (inflexibility with leveling camps being a big one). Established players who have already ran through dunes on a bunch of jobs are especially touchy when it comes to leveling speed in that area, I've noticed. There really is a portion of this server who view other players as obstacles who only prevent them from achieving optimal XP/hour.

That said, I've only had trouble leveling support jobs when there's a glut of support jobs already LFG. Some days DD is just less common than WHM or other support jobs, which is obviously contrary to what most people would expect from an MMO. I would suggest trying to be a bit more pro-active when using the /inv function - and trying to put together your own parties when you can. This allows you to guarantee a spot for yourself instead of hoping another group picks you out of the 2 or 3 other WHM.

As for money - the only good source of income that can be attained quickly is BCNMs, which will probably require a static of 3 people. People will tell you to fish or whatever, but for fishing to be profitable you need access to certain zones and for monsters not to aggro on you which require a certain level threshold, while profitable BCNMs can be done as early as levels 20 and 30.

As for gear - all you'll need for a long time is just the most up-to-date +MND wand until like the mid-30s. Character race should only be a factor here if you're a Galka, since they have really low MP which limits your flexibility and endurance as a support.

Thanks my name is Asgar in game.

But I think I'll just level a different class at this point, with some regret because I chose WHM for a reason but at the same time I'm not ready to go through all that.

Thank you all for the suggestions anyway.

Consumables and base crafting materials seem to be a decent way to get some gil flowing early on. Starting some of the crafting lines can help out too, as you can craft with items you get while leveling close to the starter cities, and they sell somewhat steady.

There are a lot of sub 30 gear/weapons/ammo that AH for about the same or slightly more than the vendor prices because people can't/won't bother traveling the globe to get to the vendor in another city. Don't forget to check in with the gate guards as well... do your rank missions and more gear purchased with CP instead of gil comes available there as well. So you can do a little research between the wikis and the site's AH search function to figure out how to maximize your costs to gear up against the potential resell value when you are done with it.

If you dig enough, you may find a track that can net you a somewhat regular flow of income. May be slow at first, but it can grow as you find more opportunities.

Some parties and party leaders, out there, are really great. My first party was at the Dunes, as a WHM. I was nervous as hell, and sure enough I made mistakes, but no one yelled at me for using up my MP too fast or not knowing to cast Protectra on everyone at the beginning. Very cool bunch of guys.

Your luck will change

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In-game : Winkle
RDM 37/WHM 17/THF 25

Farm

Farm

Farm

Kill everything. sell everything. Does it sell better in singles or stacks? See something selling well? Why is that? what does it make? What does it vendor for? Can you maybe make it too with a little bit of crafting? Does it sell for more if you craft it? - if you find yourself not asking the above questions, then that is why you might be having trouble.

Fish - or HELM. use some of that farm money to start doing other ventures. Fishing takes time, lots of time. So does gathering any other decent sale items.

In time, you will find things that sell good, and things that do not. No one is really going to tell you what is best and what isnt, there are some guides out there, but really, everything in this game is learned the hard way. Its what this game is. If they do tell you things, I can promise you that everyone else with a ? above their head can also figure it out, so the "easy" stuff gets shit on by everyone. What was selling for steady gil one day, gets hammered into the ground for the next two week, hopefully, you've been putting some effort into things so you have other reliable items that have not been shit on yet.

Look up repeatable quests in your area. Do those, they are designed to have items that you should be collecting as you farm as noted above.

WHM is not the best farmer, but they can still farm. Everyone can, but no one wants to actually put any time in for it. Everyone wants to play the game, but no one wants to put the time in to play it. That is what FFXIV is for - instant play - with a satisfaction level which also is as instant.

When i started, i spent many days just farming for gil to make sure i had reasonable things to go PT. I spent a week just getting gil before heading out to PT. If you want to skip this essential step while others do not. You do not need all the best stuff, but you do need to show that you are not wasting everyone elses time.

I am new but farmed a lot. I can help too once I am logged in after Xmas break. Hang in there!!

Someone gave me 20k and I try to pay it forward. Which sub job items do you need?

Cheers,

Rubi

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WAR75, DRG75, BRD75, THF75, BST67, RNG64, PLD60, NIN49, RDM 47, DRK37, WHM32, SMN14, BLU10, COR5
Galka | Rank 6 Bastok | [x] Sky / [x] Sea

~Rubicmage
Leveling RDM, WHM, BLM, NIN
Taru | Rank 1 Bastok | [ ] Sky / [ ] Sea

First, see Nabutso's post - Crystals are usually valuable (especially fire and to some extent wind crystals) and that was at least my first way of making gil, since in lower levels crystals are easier to get. Problem is that the player base has doubled over the past month with a lot of new players, creating a surplus of crystals and pushing prices down. This will probably be true for everything that is farmable at these lower levels so yeah, it can be slightly more difficult.
At lower levels you can just rely on gear from vendors, whose prices aren't influenced by supply and demand. I don't think I bought a lot of stuff from AH before level 20 or so. You can also sell vendors stuff that don't sell well on AH or if you need some money here and now.
You can fish, many people use it as their main source of income. I don't completely agree with violetnce - true, if you want to level fishing all the way and maximize income (which can get to around 30k/hour if you do nothing else) you need to be at least level 50 so nothing aggros you in Qufim Island, but even at level 1 you can catch fish like Giant Catfish (sells for 100 gil each) inside the walls of San d'Oria and Bastok or Gold Lobster (sells for 194 gil each), right outside the walls of Windurst (all mobs around are level 1 so you're safe as long as you don't fish monsters). Getting level 20 gear and spells should not take you more than a few hours.

About parties - well, yeah, being undergeared is a bit of a problem but if you get kicked out of a party without any assistance at least you know who not to bother with later on. You can farm or fish and get decent gear within less than a day though.
As for dualboxing - Well, many if not most dunes parties have a PL but not all so WHM should not find it too difficult to find a party, at least I didn't (it may become more of a problem after level 40, though, when RDM becomes attractive due to refresh). Actually tbh if there's a PL then a party of 3 (tank & two DDs) is probably enough for dunes, but you'll nearly always see full parties, and yeah, there have been some parties where I felt pretty much useless but people are OK with that because they know that these jobs need to be leveled somehow. Also if you don't find a party for a long time, use the search function and form your own. That's how I managed to level BLM, which at dunes levels is practically useless.

If you want you can PM me and I'll give you a pearl to my linkshell, we help each other a lot.