Post patch, the timers on all forms of these are wonky.

Tonko and Monomi are 1-5mins I think.

Items are 1-5mins

White magic are 2-6. (Up to the normal 8 with Skulkers)

None of these are consistent. All are wonky. I could see items being the random variant, and the upper end on those are a buff but the spells are all nerfed as hell, and we just got monomi finally.

Why was this stealth tweaked?

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"additionally; sneak/invis now aren't always maximum duration when casted."

This is a direct quote from the first post in the maint. thread.

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=9206

The rationale given before with items being hightly variable was that its part of the adventure, You should become friends with a mage or level a mage job.
(Source: Nasomi via live stream when asked if items would be adjusted. He said no and gave the above rationale).

With the current timers one mage and one melee going through a zone that requires sneak and invis is a chore.
One mage and multiple non-sneak/invis enabled people is somewhere between a headache and a nightmare.

I've taken to spamming sneak/invis until I get 4min + version, then repeating until I get the same effect on the next character.
Otherwise its a constant state of annoyance as sneak wears off on someone and a completely non-threatening crab aggros you.

That isnt having an adventure, its apparently having a level 75 job who cant reliably cast a level 20 spell to decent effect.

For reference on 15 casts back to back of invisible last night my duration results were:
* 6 - 2min (useless)
* 3 - 3min (annoying)
* 3 - 4min (fine)
* 3 - 5min (feels great post patch, was kinda the norm pre-patch)
* 0 - 6min (ive heard this happens)
Yes its a small sample size - but even if its an equal distribution its still just a time (and mp) waster 50% of the time.

Even though this "in era" behavior, I dont think its a change worth having in the game - especially considering that we dont have other in-era transportation features like warps from home nations to whitegate.

Geee, thanks. That is super helpful to mention it.

Since it was super heavily discussed and not over looked by all the rng whining. Yes, thank you. You are a saint.

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I was just pointing out that it wasn't really stealthy. From what my ls can tell, spell duration seems to be based on enhancing magic skill.

I see. Fair then. And I don't know if thats entirely true, since I see WHM's and RDM's also having the same issues.

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Not gonna quote tib's stuff for its a block-ish, but I might stand in town and cast a couple hundred Invis and share my findings on duration. Maybe do a thousand but I doubt I'll have the patience to do that and document it. Maybe I'll do half on SMN and half on Blm or something.

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A RDM I know with capped Enhancing said his timers seemed "normal". Just one data point, but we guessed it was just tied to skill now. The Monomi change... beats me.

im more upset over this change than i am the ranged attack changes!

This fix is just a headache. Nothing more. It's just fucking pointless to fix. Who the fuck cares if it was a bug? It's a quality of life improvement over what it is now.

I mean how would anyone think this is a good idea? Think 8 minutes is too long? Fine. Knock it down to 6 minutes max. Knock it down to 5. But making it variable down to where you roll 1 minute casts most of the time? Jesus Christ.

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Now it's how it was in 2005 and 2006, it was kinda silly how it was on this server, kind of just made it so you needed a friend or a dual box and you were fine to get through any zone, now it seems very accurate to retail