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PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:32 pm 
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Nabutso wrote:
The reason cited for nas not adding pop items when NMs have other spawn mechanisms is precisely because it stifles competition and isn't in the spirit of what nas wants the server to be like.



This game, and especially Sky, has a lot of spawn conditions for NMs, to give players a variety of types of competition. This game is about claiming competition some of the time, farming competition some of the time, and even information competition in knowing these varried conditions. A limited number of enkidus dropping durites is still competitive, whereas people doing ksnms for king pop items actually removes all competition from kings completely. Equating the two is just being stubbornly black and white.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:37 pm 
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I love when people think they can play the "gotcha!" game with items that aren't as "in-era" as other things....

It's not a democracy. Your logic doesn't have to apply. Nas decided some items should be in the game he created for various reasons, and other items should not be in the game he created for various reasons. You are absolutely entitled to go create your own game and come up with our own various reasons.

Nas decided Iridal/Chat should be in the game, and has decided that pop items should not be. I don't understand why these threads go 5 pages. There's one human that gets a vote, and he casted it a long time ago.

I wouldn't really care if Diorite was implemented, it'd just lend credence to the next version of this forum thread asking for the next pop item to be added to save them some time. It's not the game Nas envisioned.

("You all said the same thing about Ulli, but then we made a forum thread full of silly wordgames, and he added Diorite! So now we just need to make this thread too!")

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exelyon wrote:
Nabutso wrote:
The reason cited for nas not adding pop items when NMs have other spawn mechanisms is precisely because it stifles competition and isn't in the spirit of what nas wants the server to be like.



This game, and especially Sky, has a lot of spawn conditions for NMs, to give players a variety of types of competition. This game is about claiming competition some of the time, farming competition some of the time, and even information competition in knowing these varried conditions. A limited number of enkidus dropping durites is still competitive, whereas people doing ksnms for king pop items actually removes all competition from kings completely. Equating the two is just being stubbornly black and white.


I agree Exe, and in this case Nas has decided Ulli is about claiming/farming competition.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:48 pm 
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Got it, have a good thread guys.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:01 pm 
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Amage00 wrote:
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Maybe the Diorite should be a rare drop off something, like idk ksnm99 comes to mind. Especially that small KB pool <_< ha would give more low people with tons of seals to get groups together to do them more often maybe? Eitherway, I am not for pop items. I think they ruin the game. Its about competition, and that includes in sky.



Why the heck would you make it frm KSNM99 geez people are so damn lazy dont want to Camp for kings. Diorite drops from Aura Statue and it has a bad drop rate but it can drop reason spending 7-10hours to pop Ullikummi is nuts most who play this have kids and wifes like i already play alot but geez
just asking if diorote could be added .


My question u dont like pop items have you done sky ? Genbu Seiryu Suzaku Byakko are all popped with POP ITEMS So how does it ruin the game?


Holy crap dude, who spit in your cheerios this morning? My request was an EXAMPLE of something HARD that people could do and get a random sky pop drop, cool. It shouldn't be the primary way of getting it. Just a little bonus for not having to farm. Of course it was AN EXAMPLE. It could go anywhere IF it's implemented.

This is EXACTLY why no one has discussions with people like you, and others about this. You want a discussion, bounce ideas, ect. But when someone comes to you with EXACTLY that, you cuss them out, and call them lazy for not camping kings, which I said nothing about in my post and if you look at my previous posts, COMPLETELY against pop items. But hey I thought, these guys wanna have a discussion, lets try it but nope. As for now, leave it the way it is. If you want kitty pants go put the effort in and farm ulli.

This in no way affects me, I have kitty pants on both my chars. So GL :)

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:17 pm 
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I regret posting in this thread, you kinda killed all conversation amage. Skitles I’m definitely against the KSNM idea, if it was to be implemented then it should probably just be added the same way as SE did. I was gonna write more but Exe covered most of the points I wanted to.

I’ll leave with a thought, I think it’s healthy to open discussions like this as the server evolves and becomes more and more populated. SE added things like Diorite for a reason and in my mind it would be a QoL change like the many others that already exist on the server. However if Nasomi is against, that’s cool.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:20 pm 
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Nabutso wrote:
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I think theyre all being a bit unreasonable too, amage, but there's no point in getting all upset over it. Nasomi will probably make the same generalization, because that's what he does.

For the sake of discussion:

Ullikummi pop items were added in march of 07, and Ulli is not a HNM or King, lol.

HNM/king pop items were added in 2011/2012.

What are the pop conditions for Sozu Rogberry, Pallas, Allkyoneus, and Big Bomb on this server?



when was Iridal Staff staff added

Iridal staff was added here by nasomi on purpose. Just like the ability to move stuff between bags in towns, and access to out of era gobbie bag upgrades. They're just bag size buffs really. Adding Iridal doesn't remove competition of endgame groups going for claim on an NM. It adds something without taking away from anything else. Perhaps if -all- changes to FFXI after ToAU were content and QoL additions instead of content replacements and dumbing down the game, making what came before obsolete, we'd still be playing retail.

The reason cited for nas not adding pop items when NMs have other spawn mechanisms is precisely because it stifles competition and isn't in the spirit of what nas wants the server to be like.


Is it possible to get Hachirin-no-Obi on this server? Anyone know by chance?

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Tex wrote:
Nabutso wrote:
Amage00 wrote:


when was Iridal Staff staff added

Iridal staff was added here by nasomi on purpose. Just like the ability to move stuff between bags in towns, and access to out of era gobbie bag upgrades. They're just bag size buffs really. Adding Iridal doesn't remove competition of endgame groups going for claim on an NM. It adds something without taking away from anything else. Perhaps if -all- changes to FFXI after ToAU were content and QoL additions instead of content replacements and dumbing down the game, making what came before obsolete, we'd still be playing retail.

The reason cited for nas not adding pop items when NMs have other spawn mechanisms is precisely because it stifles competition and isn't in the spirit of what nas wants the server to be like.


Is it possible to get Hachirin-no-Obi on this server? Anyone know by chance?



Highly doubt all in one Gorget/Obi exists as they were not made by craftable items as the Iridal staff is


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:06 pm 
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exelyon wrote:
Nabutso wrote:
The reason cited for nas not adding pop items when NMs have other spawn mechanisms is precisely because it stifles competition and isn't in the spirit of what nas wants the server to be like.



This game, and especially Sky, has a lot of spawn conditions for NMs, to give players a variety of types of competition. This game is about claiming competition some of the time, farming competition some of the time, and even information competition in knowing these varried conditions. A limited number of enkidus dropping durites is still competitive, whereas people doing ksnms for king pop items actually removes all competition from kings completely. Equating the two is just being stubbornly black and white.


woah woah woah, why you gotta bring color into the conversation man?

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:16 pm 
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mello wrote:
exelyon wrote:
Nabutso wrote:
The reason cited for nas not adding pop items when NMs have other spawn mechanisms is precisely because it stifles competition and isn't in the spirit of what nas wants the server to be like.



This game, and especially Sky, has a lot of spawn conditions for NMs, to give players a variety of types of competition. This game is about claiming competition some of the time, farming competition some of the time, and even information competition in knowing these varried conditions. A limited number of enkidus dropping durites is still competitive, whereas people doing ksnms for king pop items actually removes all competition from kings completely. Equating the two is just being stubbornly black and white.


woah woah woah, why you gotta bring color into the conversation man?

this was just a thread to see how many in the community would like diorite for byakko pops no matter we farm it everyday and gt pops but meh

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Amage00 wrote:
mello wrote:
exelyon wrote:


This game, and especially Sky, has a lot of spawn conditions for NMs, to give players a variety of types of competition. This game is about claiming competition some of the time, farming competition some of the time, and even information competition in knowing these varried conditions. A limited number of enkidus dropping durites is still competitive, whereas people doing ksnms for king pop items actually removes all competition from kings completely. Equating the two is just being stubbornly black and white.


woah woah woah, why you gotta bring color into the conversation man?

this was just a thread to see how many in the community would like diorite for byakko pops no matter we farm it everyday and gt pops but meh


I find it ironic that your signature is Byakko and Got Pants? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: I like it. My position in this conversation is neutral, just wanna enjoy some forums after a long day of work.

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