The rules were never anything more than agreed upon compromises that established a system for each group to usually get a full run each day. Which was obviously more preferable to everyone than splitting. However, once the number of groups trying to enter exceeds the number that can go in a day, this is no longer true. Splitting the zone becomes much more viable than not getting to go at all.

Add into this that the original compromises only worked because the groups somewhat knew each other, argued over the bullshit each other were pulling, and then mutually decided to act in good faith. Now that the number of groups has started to cap out, and people invented knew bullshit to pull on other groups; new bad blood has been formed, and pretty much only a few of the people around for the original compromises even still run the zone.

To be clear, I've ran Bubu less than five times. I hate the "agreement" not because of the agreement itself, but because it gives groups an excuse to avoid using common sense and not be jackasses when the literal letter of the agreement supports them. It's really just become a shield for being an asshole.

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This.

Should add that if you ever ran at 2:30ish AM this time last year, you would have encountered my group going in, whether you were there first or not.

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This society is really tryin me, ain't no hide and seek
I hide to be far from anxiety, I need my space,
I need my privacy, I need some signs please,
You're all too loud you don't speak quietly, opinions violently.
Deft/Drop

I quickly realized that I could more or less do just as well (and from a time/gil standpoint... significantly better) by just going to other zones..


edit: unless you're just fine with entering when you get there on top of whomever.. and then Bubu is back on top, slightly.

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Yeah it's the majority of the community making an agreement.

Like camping on top of EXP parties who were there first or stealing manta's that other people fish up is considered a dick move. You can do it but that doesn't mean people won't hate you for it.

The majority gets to decide what's right in wrong in communities and people who don't abide by those are usually outcast. At least TS people don't need other people to do stuff and have most of their jobs level, so they don't have to face much repercussions other than being hated.

Using a "line" makes the most sense and is fair. It's one of the oldest practices in the world. Why? Because it works and people agree first come first serve. The people who disagree are in the minority.

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The agreement was not mad by anywhere close to the majority of the people in the community running dynamis, at this point.


However, I do agree a line makes perfect sense. I don't see the reason why someone should get to dictate who gets to go with my group though, once we've joined that line. If you don't like the people/jobs that I choose to use my one run a day on, I have some wonderful advice: Don't join my group to run Dynamis.

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This is just you guys piggy backing on the rules we came up with, instead of putting in any working trying to create new ones that work for the new group of people. They benefit you, and you probably get to go everyday because of them. But it wont take much longer before people get sick of going once or twice a week, while they see the same people going every single day, and they think things arent fair. Under the old system, things were mostly fair, all groups generally got to go that day if they waited in line. This is no longer the case.

TS are indeed some of the first to break with convention, because as you said, they can. But they obviously are no longer the only ones, and wont be the last.

You said you've done bubu less than 5 times? In case you haven't been out there in a while. 99% Of the time people are out there abiding by that rule and getting in line and people who are there first go in.

You can have your opinion and say nobody has agree to it, that's fine. but it clearly works and when nobody is "jumping" people, there is ZERO drama posted on the forums. hmmmm ? It seems TS and this random tankfest guy is the only ones who have actually jumped people that do bubu.

I wouldn't believe anything TS is saying about DB. They are going to say anything to make them look bad. DB might have 3-4 groups but that doesn't mean they're the only ones. Everyone else in TS uses the line except deft and aero.

TS and Yes were the ones who came up with the "line" idea.

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I didn't say the majority aren't abiding by the rule.

Also - People sometimes choose to let others get away with being assholes because they don't want to worry about possibly being the asshole in the end. It's how the world works.

I run dynamis 3-7 times a week. I just don't bother with Bubu much because it seems stupid to do so. The agreement is mostly applied to the other Dynamis zones, if people are ever waiting, but not always.. Sometimes people think it's not bubu so it doesn't matter. Myself? If I'm standing in line first, and my group is also ready to go in when the zone becomes unoccupied... I'm entering. I'm not particularly interested in if your "holding party" completely showed up before mine did... because mine weren't trying to get there in time. That's not a goal we have.

We have some folks that aren't busy go stand in line, and then when the time remaining is running low the rest come and we go do some dynamis.

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Make new rules for one TS group who have been doing bubu for years? Or make new rules for tankfest? Because literally the only 2 new groups I've seen pop up, have zero issues with the line and they sure as shit don't want people jumping them. The newer groups have even used the line rules to not be jumped.

If you're not in the bubu line a lot, no clue how you can speak for it. You have no idea what goes on there. You're making assumptions based on your own opinions and scenarios being correct.

Either way I'm done posting. Almost all the people in bubu use the line. The one or two who don't are the VERY small %. For anyone to say that's not majority and we should make new rules for 1-3 people out of 15 groups is hilarious.

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