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 Post subject: Re: Chinese Players
PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 2019 11:32 am 
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Nasomi... for real dude? You just gonna blast half the chinese pop cause you're too lazy to hear people out?

There's definite ways to siphon the information out, unless they be MAC spoofing.

How many of you jabroni's are in networking? If you are then you should know how shit works and know that a widespread ban like this is silly.

If you aren't, then you probably don't know how shit works. You think these guys know that when you use a VPN it uses the outside IP of the VPN? Shit maybe you thought it created like an IP sec tunnel between you and the server, with your IP being the registered IP and just going through a tunnel. This really is akin to basically being like "Well 3 ppl in TS cheated... so sorry all of TS gotta go cause you all have green pearls and I Just can't tell the difference!" I mean right... don't associate with cheaters. Oh wait maybe you guys didn't know Baldr was cheating, or others were scraping data.. innocence right? Well not for the Chinese players, what if they didn't know that a handful of them are cheating? You think they gonna post in logs "Hey guys I'm cheating now, just an FYI so... yeah" So instead, they just all get the ban.

I mean it's not that hard to understand with a quick Google. China in March 2018 announced another sweep of VPN bans, so the ones you can use are limited. So Nas sees a China IP and does some shit for the DDoS and then they lose functionality to search the AH and shit, form groups, etc. As they stated in another post, they let him know, but nothing changed for a few weeks. Unfortunately in this game, that can be a lot of time, especially when it's something you enjoy doing.

So nothing changed, they took a peek and holy shit, look at that. 8Lag VPN is a very popular VPN in China. Holy shit it's specifically advertised for gaming. Wow that's just crazy that a bunch of people might use that same VPN.

So then a few of the ppl are cheating. Those dirty dirty boys. So now errybuddy gotta pay huh?

It's a lot of work for sure, but you could even just hear them out. The people like yasou or w/e don't seem like the one's who did shit. I mean the lady with her son like lvl 50... really dude? They weren't taking place in it. I mean you can just look at the chars and be like "oh yeah shit, that one couldn't have done it" Too much time? I mean you're the one who started a server and wanted to people to play on it. And now you gonna pick and choose who you help? FFXI is about community man, help everyone.


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 Post subject: Re: Chinese Players
PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 2019 11:35 am 
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I play on EU time and do Dyna same time as people from ABC when they started build more groups. Ouer group had wait many hour to get inside when we started go there earlier 06:00 morning to stand in line. The people from ABC logged on extra player accounts just to hold slots for other members in ABC so ouer wait time was 5-12 hour go get inside some days. Also people in my Dyna group and many other LS asked them to stop doing 2-3 daily runs but they just continued. I also been camping against them on EU time at KA and LOO if the Chinese was alone at camp spot they been few but if any other LS come they logged on alot extra accounts sometimes 10-40 to make it wery hard for other LS player get any claim. When KA popped sometimes with 60 people camping 3-4 started fight then some was totally afk some direct got dc after spawn. Could clearly see there was few people who managed wery many player accounts.

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 Post subject: Re: Chinese Players
PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 2019 12:15 pm 
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你爭論的越多,你對我來說就是罪惡。

更多中國宣傳,更少8lag屏幕截圖。

The more you argue, the guiltier you are to me.

More China propaganda, less 8lag screenshot.

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 Post subject: Re: Chinese Players
PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 2019 12:32 pm 
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hi dear nasomi

im caiboyan, one of chinese palyer . im 35 years old,i lived in Changchun City China ,im here to prove we are different ppls.my QQ is 379365931 name 蔡伯言.im a office worker in Goverment.we join nasomi for fun, but i feel no fair, you know why, rifht?please be Fairness and justice.you made a wrong thing, you deleted my Forum post two times yesterday,i want know why, give me a reason that we could Identify and understand each other,Don't be a dictator,that is not the way to fix problem!

tell me why you banded my little bro Caiboia! he just a teener, dont tell me same IP again, It's just an excuse to deceive yourself and everyone to escape your laziness and injustice. now we show you most pplzs real life infomation . what you lie me now?


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 Post subject: Re: Chinese Players
PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 2019 12:40 pm 
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I like that the guys can read good enough to consistently say thanks, and respond to posts... BUT not good enough to realize that continuing to post here is meaningless for their goal.

Now.. to be fair, using the Support feature is almost equally meaningless for their goal, but at least it literally stands a chance of helping.

I love this forum.


caiboyan wrote:

im a office worker in Goverment.

caiboyan wrote:
Don't be a dictator,that is not the way to fix problem!


i feel like he'd know, Nas. Hear him out.

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 Post subject: Re: Chinese Players
PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 2019 12:56 pm 
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nasomi wrote:
I've been doing this for 6 years now and it's always the same.

You don't follow the account limit rules. They're spelled out in plain english. Then you say you don't understand english as an excuse. It's not an excuse.

You say you're 150 people, when in reality it's closer to 50, and just want to use many accounts or circumvent account rules.

You connect from the same ip. Hundreds of accounts from one ip. If you were to follow the forum account > 3 game account setup I might have a chance at telling you apart, but you don't.

You lie and cheat, then are caught, then blame it on not understanding english. You understand it well enough to have a conversation, you understand it well enough and choose to simply disregard the rules.

Some of you are completely innocent. For those that are, I am sorry. However I don't have 4 months to comb through millions of lines of logs only to come to an inconclusive conclusion where you say "I'm not him. I'm me" yet do nothing to differentiate you from him. "oh but it's my 3 separate forum and game accounts and those are his 3 separate forum accounts and game accounts." I only can make a determination based on the facts that are available to me.

A cheater and an innocent will say "I'm innocent", so I cannot take your word for it.



dear nasomi i show you our QQ group informaion ,you must know every QQ and wechat user must havr bank card for shopping buy somthing in real life, 在中国如果没有身份证,无法办理银行卡,如果微信和QQ不绑定银行卡,怎么使用QQ和微信支付?怎么使用支付宝?If there is no identity card in China, it is impossible to process bank cards. If QQ and I do not bind the bank cards, how do we use QQ and payment? How do I use it?

if your want our email information i will show you main.


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 Post subject: Re: Chinese Players
PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 2019 1:06 pm 
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我已经不玩最终幻想已经有半年以上了,如果我还想继续玩下去的话我会去其他服务器玩,你们在这里说那么多大道理他根本听不进去,他也不想听,因为这是他的服务器他想怎么样就怎么样你们根本拿他没办法。去其他服务器玩,这就是我给你们的建议。


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 Post subject: Re: Chinese Players
PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 2019 1:12 pm 
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I love that they think screenshots of just a user list are showing anything lol and that there seems to be a group called QQ. Seems fitting.

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 Post subject: Re: Chinese Players
PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 2019 1:18 pm 
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So we've talked about the IP aspect to death.

I like a lot of the people in ABC and Loyalty. I've had good interactions with them.

But: Why are the Chinese players not using the account binding functionality? Why are there so many extra accounts? I can understand everyone recommending a good VPN solution to each other if it works well with Nas, but I can't figure out what legitimate reason there would be for not following the rules regarding the maintaining of forum account:game accounts. If everyone had been doing this, it would have made it much easier for Nas to separate which accounts belonged to the people caught cheating and which didn't.

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 Post subject: Re: Chinese Players
PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 2019 1:23 pm 
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Klic wrote:
Nasomi... for real dude? You just gonna blast half the chinese pop cause you're too lazy to hear people out?

There's definite ways to siphon the information out, unless they be MAC spoofing.

How many of you jabroni's are in networking? If you are then you should know how shit works and know that a widespread ban like this is silly.

MAC addresses operate on layer 2. By the time you leave your home LAN your traversing of the internet is primarily based on layer 3 communication. The MAC in a packet changes every time it moves from one switching device to another. Unless you're collecting the MAC address with software and sending it back, then you can't see what MAC they are using on the other side of the internet. When the packets ingress on his router they'll have the source MAC of whatever upstream ISP device sent them on.

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