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 Post subject: Re: Curious Grouping?
PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2020 7:41 pm 
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Julia wrote:
I talked to Nabutso about this rule when I was a newb. He said that it is worded poorly and that it should not be read as forbidding dual-keyboarding dualbox setups with two physical computers. Of course Nab isn't Nas, so here we are, waiting for stories.


Nabutso is incorrect on that point. As someone who used to sync cast with two physical keyboards, I can assure you the verbage of the rule is meant to encompass that scenario. I believe, by extension, macro waits would be included in the rule as well for the simple reason: there's no functional difference in the end-effect and no way to tell the various methods apart.

Now pressing your convert macro on your rdm and healing it on a dual box char at the same time the automatic cure fires on the rdm isn't going to get you jailed in practice, in the same way going 1mph over the speed limit isn't going to get you pulled over in practice. On paper, the rule is just written so nas doesn't have to argue minutiae with someone who looks like they're using a 3rd party app and syncing tons of actions.


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 Post subject: Re: Curious Grouping?
PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2020 9:17 pm 
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Deadwing wrote:
Julia wrote:
I talked to Nabutso about this rule when I was a newb. He said that it is worded poorly and that it should not be read as forbidding dual-keyboarding dualbox setups with two physical computers. Of course Nab isn't Nas, so here we are, waiting for stories.


Nabutso is incorrect on that point. As someone who used to sync cast with two physical keyboards, I can assure you the verbage of the rule is meant to encompass that scenario. I believe, by extension, macro waits would be included in the rule as well for the simple reason: there's no functional difference in the end-effect and no way to tell the various methods apart.

Now pressing your convert macro on your rdm and healing it on a dual box char at the same time the automatic cure fires on the rdm isn't going to get you jailed in practice, in the same way going 1mph over the speed limit isn't going to get you pulled over in practice. On paper, the rule is just written so nas doesn't have to argue minutiae with someone who looks like they're using a 3rd party app and syncing tons of actions.


I mean, if all actions are logged, and Nas claims they are, you should be able to see if things were sent at the exact same time or not.

Even someone dual keyboarding is going to look quite a bit different than someone sending multiple commands with the same keypress. Just like someone using a /wait 1 macro and then counting to 1 to push the button on another character is not going to be going at the exact same time either.

I'm not Nas and he does enough things that make absolutely no sense to me that I can't claim to logic things here, but on the face of it, none of this particularly makes much sense.

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 Post subject: Re: Curious Grouping?
PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2020 10:37 pm 
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I could type out a long treatise in reply to DW, but I actually think he's trolling us right now.

It make me wonder how many of us are getting cabin fever from being discouraged from going in public right now? Just a thought.


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 Post subject: Re: Curious Grouping?
PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2020 11:25 pm 
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The actions are logged, but not with enough resolution to be of much use on this topic.

Not trolling. If you do actions on two chars simultaneously you absolutely can be banned, and it's not going to matter what method you claim to be using. If the rules weren't structured this way he might as well allow apps that go off in-game text (people have been banned for that too via text logs), or allow apps that sent synced commands to the client directly.


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 Post subject: Re: Curious Grouping?
PostPosted: Sat Mar 14, 2020 6:40 am 
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Deadwing wrote:
The actions are logged, but not with enough resolution to be of much use on this topic.

Not trolling. If you do actions on two chars simultaneously you absolutely can be banned, and it's not going to matter what method you claim to be using. If the rules weren't structured this way he might as well allow apps that go off in-game text (people have been banned for that too via text logs), or allow apps that sent synced commands to the client directly.

I mean, we absolutely can be banned for anything or nothing. It's not like Nas is limited in his power.

But what in the world is simultaneous by your definition? I can alt tab and push buttons and have things go off the same second. Are the logs high enough resolution there? That would be totally manual, no macro, no wait, no multiple keyboards, and happening at the same second.

But a second is a long time in a game. A really long time game

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 Post subject: Re: Curious Grouping?
PostPosted: Sat Mar 14, 2020 6:44 am 
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Deadwing wrote:
The actions are logged, but not with enough resolution to be of much use on this topic.

Not trolling. If you do actions on two chars simultaneously you absolutely can be banned, and it's not going to matter what method you claim to be using. If the rules weren't structured this way he might as well allow apps that go off in-game text (people have been banned for that too via text logs), or allow apps that sent synced commands to the client directly.


Well I wasn't going to mention the old exec commands and such but fuck it, since the cats crawling out of the bag anyways. We used to (and some of the epeeners still have ways to) use versions of ashita or piggyback windower that can use scripting to automate a 2nd character, or could use the exec commands via macro to basically instruct a 2nd char to use an action, like if you were leveling ninja and 2 boxed a rdm you didn't even need to alt tab to the rdm could just macro the exec command "/t alt Haste Pl0x 456" and set the rdm scripts up to "/ma "Haste" yomomma" when it received the /t as a trigger, which is why the rule was written, it's evolved a bit I'm sure, and who knows what all it covers nowadays, double kb inputs, 2x gamepads set up on 2x clients *shrugs* idk, but your standard legit 2box physically alt+tabbing or using the sanctioned switchmon isn't going to get you banned, it's not an "anti-2box" rule. There's your story.... Don't get yourself banned trying any of that

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 Post subject: Re: Curious Grouping?
PostPosted: Sat Mar 14, 2020 5:25 pm 
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Yeah, Carrot. That all makes sense. Nothing really prohibits a player from hopping onto Discord and saying a countdown to control two or more black mages to cast at the exact same time, even though that is another form of one person controlling two characters at the same time. Once one recognizes that there are plenty of nondisruptive ways to play this game that seemingly violate how this rule is crafted, the anxiety should go away. The primary rule on Nasomi above all others is not "break the way the game is designed to be played."


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