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 Post subject: Re: Selective editing
PostPosted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 1:20 am 
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Vivix wrote:
My intention was to save myself. I most likely would've died while fighting Despot if I continued how things were. I didn't realize it was my responsibility to both keep myself and other players safe inside of aggressive spawn areas. I guess we should write that one in the rules.



Not saying you shouldnt have hid. But the fact you said you watched him die and based on the timestamps had ample time to move your alt and save him says otherwise about your intentions.


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 Post subject: Re: Selective editing
PostPosted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 2:15 am 
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Tenshu wrote:
Not saying you shouldnt have hid. But the fact you said you watched him die and based on the timestamps had ample time to move your alt and save him says otherwise about your intentions.


The initial intent of my first action is what is presumed to be the MPK, but it was in fact self-preservation, which you would see if more of the log was available. The actions thereafter are not relevant -- if that was the case you could start calling people who watch people wipe to NMs MPKers because they didn't help them. It is not my responsibility to save Chess because he afk'd in a dangerous spot.


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 Post subject: Re: Selective editing
PostPosted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 2:23 am 
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Vivix wrote:
if that was the case you could start calling people who watch people wipe to NMs MPKers because they didn't help them.


That has nothing to do with your scenario unless the people in your example are only fighting the NM because the people watching trained it on them. In that case, yes its MPK. Just like you MPKd.


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 Post subject: Re: Selective editing
PostPosted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 2:36 am 
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Tenshu wrote:
Vivix wrote:
if that was the case you could start calling people who watch people wipe to NMs MPKers because they didn't help them.


That has nothing to do with your scenario unless the people in your example are only fighting the NM because the people watching trained it on them. In that case, yes its MPK. Just like you MPKd.


Training involves going outside the normal spawn/roam zone for monsters. I was in the spawn area when I got aggro'd, was still in the spawn area when I fled, and still in the spawn zone when I hid. Chess was in the spawn zone as well.


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 Post subject: Re: Selective editing
PostPosted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 3:00 am 
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Vivix wrote:
Tenshu wrote:
Vivix wrote:
if that was the case you could start calling people who watch people wipe to NMs MPKers because they didn't help them.


That has nothing to do with your scenario unless the people in your example are only fighting the NM because the people watching spawned it on them. In that case, yes its MPK. Just like you MPKd.


Training involves going outside the normal spawn/roam zone for monsters. I was in the spawn area when I got aggro'd, was still in the spawn area when I fled, and still in the spawn zone when I hid. Chess was in the spawn zone as well.



Semantics, fixed. Still MPK.

Edit: Do I think the crime fits the punishment? No, and I'd be salty too if I lost my char over something like this. But its technically against the rules and Nas can do what he wants.


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 Post subject: Re: Selective editing
PostPosted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 3:09 am 
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Wrong. If someone goes afk in the pond at LoO without aggro, then someone kills a manta, and the next one that spawns kills that afk person, that is not MPK. You take a risk by afking in an aggressive spot, no one else is responsible for you.


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 Post subject: Re: Selective editing
PostPosted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 3:11 am 
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Vivix wrote:
Wrong. If someone goes afk in the pond at LoO without aggro, then someone kills a manta, and the next one that spawns kills that afk person, that is not MPK. You take a risk by afking in an aggressive spot, no one else is responsible for you.


If the manta was attacking you and you hid it and it started attacking the AFK ppl and you did nothing its MPK. Sound familiar?


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 Post subject: Re: Selective editing
PostPosted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 3:15 am 
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Tenshu wrote:
If the manta was attacking you and you hid it and it started attacking the AFK ppl and you did nothing its MPK. Sound familiar?


Wrong again. If the manta aggro's, you aren't obligated to kill it. I wasn't attacking despot, it wasn't claimed, I got aggro'd. No one is ever obligated to kill anything that aggros them.


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 Post subject: Re: Selective editing
PostPosted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 3:28 am 
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Vivix wrote:

Wrong again. If the manta aggro's, you aren't obligated to kill it. I wasn't attacking despot, it wasn't claimed, I got aggro'd. No one is ever obligated to kill anything that aggros them.


You popped the NM with intent to kill it, not like you were walking by and it happened to aggro you. You hid, and watched it kill someone instead of taking it off them. I feel like I am talking to a wall. Have a good night.


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 Post subject: Re: Selective editing
PostPosted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 5:47 am 
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Sounds like you have everything to gain and nothing to lose if you post the information, meanwhile nas doesn't care either way, so it seems pointless to withhold the information for any reason other than to create drama, or you don't actually have said screenshots.


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