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PostPosted: Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:12 pm 
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OperationFail wrote:
On top of what you said already...

PL alts are ruining the game for sure. When someone is already well off as a 75 and has 1m to piss away, they will basically spend whatever to gear their alt.

It makes it so new players cant ever afford the gear they need because they dont have the bank of a 75 to fund their play. For instance, you would have to farm crawlers for like 5 straight days to afford a shitty Mohbwa sash because all the 75s will blow obscene cash because they can afford it and raise the prices.

I'd bet the top 1% of this game holds 95% of the economy. This server is definitely a case of the rich get richer.

I disagree. A tiny bit. Let me fix what you wrote.

OperationFail wrote:
On top of what you said already...

PL alts have changed the game for sure. When someone is already well off as a 75 and has 1m to piss away, they will basically spend whatever to gear their alt.

It makes it so new players cant ever afford the gear they could have because they dont have the bank of a 75 to fund their play. For instance, you would have to farm crawlers for like 5 straight days to afford a shitty Mohbwa sash because all the 75s will blow obscene cash because they can afford it and raise the prices.

I'd bet the top 1% of this game holds 95% of the economy. This server is definitely a case of the rich get richer.


A new player does not need top tier gear. And if there is something essential and fungible that the newb doesn't have, it is likely that he or she will say something before the party commits to the first mob. At that point, the wealthy players will already be calculating how much it will cost in downtime to replace this player vs how much it will cost to buy the item for the player and make their day while keeping the party alive. Yeah, it is indeed a case of the rich getting richer, which means that smaller amounts of gil matter more to the beginning of the game than they do at the end. The discouraging feeling of other richer players getting more income than newer players for the same amount of effort occurs when the two "cultures" are working together, like in the dunes. Literally, most cultures (simulated or otherwise) in existence with money operate this way. Take a game with in-game money, say Borderlands (any of them). The price of gear at endgame is several orders of magnitude more expensive than gear that you could buy at a vending machine at the beginning of the game. Your estimate on how long it takes to get a big ticket item... I would say that's a bit pessimistic, for reasons already addressed by warlyx, but I didn't fix it above because I honestly don't have a problem with it taking longer. Last year, I fished for over two weeks to print 2m gil just so I could buy a serket ring. I watched a lot of Netflix, and I was able to make the challenge enjoyable. If you can't or are not willing to do something to make the grind enjoyable, I would say that is more a you problem than a nas problem.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:29 pm 
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Not a huge fan of PL parties but it's whatever. It doesnt take 5 days to farm 5 stacks of silk from crawlers. Maybe 2 or 3 hours tops. When you make exaggerated claims like that it discredits your original point.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:42 pm 
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I wanna know, what's so hard about making your own PTs where you let everyone know you don't want a PL?

As for the gil stuff. Find a hustle, stick to it.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 01, 2019 7:50 pm 
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Illdog wrote:
Not a huge fan of PL parties but it's whatever. It doesnt take 5 days to farm 5 stacks of silk from crawlers. Maybe 2 or 3 hours tops. When you make exaggerated claims like that it discredits your original point.


Well, it would depend on how much you play per day really. And I'm thinking you forget what is like to be new. It doesn't take long if you are level 50 on a DPS class with a thief sub, no. But when you are a mage with a mage sub class and are having to rest every handful of fights... I'm thinking 5 hours wouldn't even cut it.

That was something I personally remembered being an issue. The real struggle is int gear. Decent int gear is like outrageously expensive for its level. Poor BLM starting out are better off buying god tier food for every leveling session than trying to afford 50k int pieces at level 20.


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I don't like that dualboxing is allowed here on a free and populous server, but it's way past too late for Nasomi to change it even if he wanted it. Even the competition Eden allows dualboxing, which shows how prevalent and popular it is in the private server community despite the vastly different philosophical approaches of both servers.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 03, 2019 12:35 pm 
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OperationFail wrote:
Illdog wrote:
Not a huge fan of PL parties but it's whatever. It doesnt take 5 days to farm 5 stacks of silk from crawlers. Maybe 2 or 3 hours tops. When you make exaggerated claims like that it discredits your original point.


Well, it would depend on how much you play per day really. And I'm thinking you forget what is like to be new. It doesn't take long if you are level 50 on a DPS class with a thief sub, no. But when you are a mage with a mage sub class and are having to rest every handful of fights... I'm thinking 5 hours wouldn't even cut it.

That was something I personally remembered being an issue. The real struggle is int gear. Decent int gear is like outrageously expensive for its level. Poor BLM starting out are better off buying god tier food for every leveling session than trying to afford 50k int pieces at level 20.


I started on here as a RDM and even with a mage sub you can farm stuff efficiently. Or you could pick up fishing and literally print gil since you’ll be vendoring most of the fish you catch. It’ll suck for the first 5 levels but after that it’s easy money


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